I need help IDing this Garter Snake

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

In that case.... it is definitely an eastern. Clear as a bell!

[guidofatherof5]

never seen them in person, but they do exist. CB redsided litters often have some of those...

Maybe at birth but they probably acquire some red as time goes by.

Anyone out there have a photo of a no-red, Red sided Garter(adult)? I'd love to see one. Thanks.

[RedSidedSPR]

Can't find any pics, and don't know where I've seen them, but if you scroll down here, she has one. Only place I can remember, but not the only one I've seen.
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/sale...er-babies.html

[guidofatherof5]

Discussion continued on "Its oh so quiet" No reason to de-rail this thread.

[ssssnakeluvr]

definitely an eastern.... go to the other link and read my post, link to scott felzer's site, absolute no red red sided garter, calle dthe"golden". came from a w/c female I had a few years back. I have actually found one in the wild there in Kansas too....but she passed away

[Jeff B]

I say its an eastern. The side stripe isn't sharp and 4th scale up and lack of correct marks below eye, say not radix to me. Doesn't look red-sided to me at all, dorsal stripes on red-sideds are wider.
The picture with the litter of red-sideds that were sited all have red on them to my eye even the one that is said to have no red has low red to my eye.
Don's golden is the only one I have ever heard of, and that has not reproduced.
I've caught hundreds of wild red-sideds in my area over the years, never seen one without red, some with darker red, some with browish/orangish red, some very underfed snakes that at a glance don't look like they have much red because the scales aren't spread on the sides.

[Venti]

Thanks everyone for the help, I am really exicted about having an eastern.
I never have seen a red sided garter snake without red. I read that everyone sees colors differently, maybe it just depends person to person?

[RedSidedSPR]

No. There are a few out there. I keep looking for those pictures i've seen, but i cannot find any. Adult red sideds, that people could swear was eastern, but were red sided, often CB.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Yea, I wasn't talking about the morph redsideds that seem to be genetically lacking red, like the golden one... I mean there are legit parietalis out there that just, don't have any red.... all brown and black. But this snake, is an eastern, you can just look at it and tell!

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I think Scott Felzer had or still has a golden red sided.