Wild tetrataenia

[RedSidedSPR]

Yeah, that was pretty darn awesome.

[ConcinusMan]

conservation efforts are hardcore in these parts, the subject may even be taboo, ive lived in this area my whole life and have herped almost every bit of illinois, ive never seen a massasauga in the wild and probably never will...and theyre out there and i myself would kill to see one but laws are protecting them very well, you need special permision and you better know somebody if you show up cuz if you dont it wont be good...and thats just how it is...

I don't believe that it's as hard core as you say. You probably heard about the walking path near Chicago that was built right through the middle of prime habitat, just feet from a den. That didn't stop them. They built it anyway. The snake is now being encountered by people walking on the path. Unfortunately, it doesn't usually end well for the snake. Not to mention all the snakes that were being killed by getting caught up in their erosion control nets during the construction process. People are seeing those snakes dang near every day. Just walk down that path. Plenty of photo ops.

You know, I'm not sure what's going on with this article that says it's "planned" Yikes: Planned $1.2 Million Bike Trail in Illinois Will Run Through Endangered Rattlesnake Area, $25,000 More Being Spent to Figure Out Problem « Frugal Café Blog Zone

But what I saw must have been a different location. They actually did build the path I saw, mere feet from a massasauga den. Snakes have already been killed and continue to be found dead on the trail. So where's this "hard core" conservation effort? Why spend $25,000 to "figure out the problem" when all they have to do is ditch the bike path plan. Problem solved.

They want to do this, all while harassing people for taking pictures? Well, you know I have a few choice words about that, but I can't say them here.

[Didymus20X6]

I will say that a couple of leisurely laps around the pond would have yielded several sightings for all but the most oblivious of people (and maybe some Major League Baseball umpires).

[BUSHSNAKE]

come on now Richard you know i speek the truth...your story was probably from years ago and almost every population went throught habitat destruction thats why theyve become so rare and protected...90% of their habitat has been lost to stories just like yours...the construction of a major exressway was haulted when they found out it was gonna go right through the habitat of an endangered dragonfly

[Didymus20X6]

Not years ago. Look at the dates on the articles. Within the past few months would be a more correct assessment.

[ConcinusMan]

come on now Richard you know i speek the truth...your story was probably from years ago and almost every population went throught habitat destruction thats why theyve become so rare and protected...90% of their habitat has been lost to stories just like yours...the construction of a major exressway was haulted when they found out it was gonna go right through the habitat of an endangered dragonfly

The story about the path that has already been built, came out last summer while it was under construction. It's not years old. It's very recent. And this article about the proposed bike path was written this spring. They're actually considering doing this (again) in spite of the impact it will have on the snakes. It shouldn't even be something that they would consider at all.

habitat destruction thats why theyve become so rare and protected...90% of their habitat has been lost to stories just like yours..

And yet it continues. They are still doing it. I don't think throwing $25,000 down for a study on how to solve the problem of the snakes being in the way of the path plan, is going to help anything. Not building this bike path is the only real solution, yet they persist that they are going to do it in spite of the fact that it never worked out well for the snakes before. It's already been proven this will be harmful. I tell you what, they can give me the $25,000 and I will solve the problem for them. All I have to do is say "don't build the bike path. Problem solved. Now pay me"

[BUSHSNAKE]

bla bla bla bla

[ConcinusMan]

Yes, as I said already, a bike path has already been built and it already did impact the snakes. I wish I could find the article to show you. And now here they are planning another one, same scenario. Besides that, you're missing the point. They're willing to put these snakes at risk and spend $25,000 to "solve the problem" of their being a den very close to the proposed path. All for a freaking bike path? C'mon.

And they're going to tell me I can't stop to take a picture as if that is so harmful but the bike path isn't?

[BUSHSNAKE]

when you do find the article would you send it to me i would like to know more about this bike path

[Mrs N1ntndo]

LEt me know where this bike path is exactly and I should even be able to find it cause I like to look for things like that.