WOW, you guys are AWESOME..........well here's the web-site........have at em' Garter Snake for Sale I e-mailed about w/c or c/b and he said that nobody breeds these and all are w/c. Guess I can take this site off my fav list. I've e-mail the guy in Raleigh, but he has not responded to my inquires. All I want is a male normal Eastern Garter, nothin' fancy. I've checked several sites but just nothing available. And if I DO come across one, my concern is also with shipping live creatures, it just can't be good for them.