Quote Originally Posted by ssssnakeluvr View Post
Hey Richard.... I saw years ago on the original thamnophis.com a pic of an albino concinnus.... it was a long time ago and no one knows what happened to it.
Yeah, I know. You told me that before but I'm extremely skeptical. I still don't believe that albino concinnus' have ever been found in the wild, and you're probably already aware of the mislabeling problem in the hobby. I've seen plenty of snakes called concinnus' that were anything but. I've talked to Dr. Robert Mason (professor of zoology, OSU) about that and there are no records of any ever being found for concinnus or pickeringi. Plenty of records for T negative northwesterns and T. e. vagrans though, both confirmed and recorded and well, we have plenty of pics of those available.

Quote Originally Posted by ssssnakeluvr View Post
haven't seen patterns like that on wanderings...
They're a bit different here in WA compared to UT snakes. The pattern wouldn't be all that unusual for a WA wandering. Some have nothing more than rows of tiny specks, or no rows of spots at all. The pattern isn't a very compelling argument for me, but that small head...

We need scale counts! We need clear, closeups of the head showing scale patterning and detail.