I would just like to add that Mr. Hoser forgets that many of us on here are trained in evaluating valid and reliable research...so while he says that no one has debunked his theories...I believe that many of us did debunk his theories...and we are actually qualified to do so. Also, I want to say that no one has challenged my new name of Thamnophis marnieus scottus...therefore, by Mr. Hoser's rules, I suppose that is now an official name for eastern garters. Please make a note of this official change.