In Breeding

[guidofatherof5]

With respect I would say the act itself is a serious problem.

I owe you an apology. I thought this was the hybrid thread. I need to up my meds.
What I said was not meant for this thread or topic. Sorry.

[Greg'sGarters]

I owe you an apology. I thought this was the hybrid thread. I need to up my meds.
What I said was not meant for this thread or topic. Sorry.

No worries, stuff like that happens to me all the time. Don't sweat it. "To err is human"

[Stefan-A]

I've never heard of serious problems arising from inbreeding

Why not? It's as old as sexual reproduction.

[RedSidedSPR]

So it's a bad idea to breed 2 siblings of the same litter, say to bring out a morph? What's the biggest concern, health problems or what?

Always knew it was a problem with other animals, but never gave it any thought with snakes, for some reason.

[twgrosmick]

So it's a bad idea to breed 2 siblings of the same litter, say to bring out a morph? What's the biggest concern, health problems or what?

Always knew it was a problem with other animals, but never gave it any thought with snakes, for some reason.

From my experience one or two generations doesn't cause an issue. Breeding a f1 to f1 sibling together to reproduce a morph won't adversely affect the snake. Even breeding the siblings to those back together won't cause any major health problems. It is when you have people breeding three, four, or even five generations that you see health issues, defects, etc. This is just my experience. If it is a new morph then there is no other option to produce it then to breed sibling to sibling. If there are unrelated lines available then I would def. try to get those before breeding siblings together. Just my opinion. The key thing is to make sure whoever you sell the snake/snakes too know the bloodlines of the animals so they know the shouldn't keep breeding them together.

[Greg'sGarters]

If you want to bring out a morph sure but MANY​ generations of inbreeding may cause problems.

[RedSidedSPR]

I see.

[EasternGirl]

Okay...so I have a couple of questions...just to make sure I am understanding everything clearly. If I were to breed two of the eastern babies that Cee Cee and Seeley produced...even if Cee Cee and Seeley are related, the offspring of the babies would still be F1, or they would be F2? And there is no problems with breeding those sibling babies? Now, if I breed one of the eastern babies with a wild caught eastern baby...what would they be? And would the offspring produced be considered CB even though the female was WC?

Now...this is kind of unrelated but...my eastern babies are in with my concinnus baby, who I believe to be female and my albino parietalis, who I know to be male. I think the eastern babies are both male...I need to get pics up to confirm. The eastern babies are 7 mos old. The concinnus female is probably around the same age. Yesterday, I saw one of the easterns trying to court the concinnus. Should I be separating the males and females at this age? Will they attempt to mate?

[twgrosmick]

Now...this is kind of unrelated but...my eastern babies are in with my concinnus baby, who I believe to be female and my albino parietalis, who I know to be male. I think the eastern babies are both male...I need to get pics up to confirm. The eastern babies are 7 mos old. The concinnus female is probably around the same age. Yesterday, I saw one of the easterns trying to court the concinnus. Should I be separating the males and females at this age? Will they attempt to mate?

It is not unheard of for garter snakes to breed at a year old so I would separate them by sexes if possible... I only keep mixed species/sexes together for the first few months. Even then, most of the time they get split up

[chris-uk]

Okay...so I have a couple of questions...just to make sure I am understanding everything clearly. If I were to breed two of the eastern babies that Cee Cee and Seeley produced...even if Cee Cee and Seeley are related, the offspring of the babies would still be F1, or they would be F2?

The F-number is the number of generations from the wild (and assumed unrelated parents)... although I believe there are some variations to that interpretation (usng the F-number to denote the number of generations from known unrelated parents). So Cee Cee and Seeley's babies would be F1. If you bred two of those together you'd have F2.

And there is no problems with breeding those sibling babies?

Breeding F1 siblings shouldn't be a huge cause for concern, but if you have the option for breeding unrelated pairs then I'd go for that before breeding siblings.

Now, if I breed one of the eastern babies with a wild caught eastern baby...what would they be?

They would be F1, because one of the parents was wild.

And would the offspring produced be considered CB even though the female was WC?

I'd say that they are CB -the snakes would have mated and the babies are born in captivity. A more interesting scenario is whether the off-spring of a WC female are WC or CB if the babies are born in captivity.