I.D. possible garter?

[ConcinusMan]

I'm pretty sure that it's some species of rat snakes.

It's not. this is western WA. It's a northwestern garter. Just an unusual color but "unusual" is a pretty common thing that pops up with that species since they are so highly variable / polymorphic anyway.

I would suggest posting this on cornsnakes.com as they are much more familiar with all the rat snake species than I am

And they still can't tell you with any certainty what kind of rat snake they have in their collections, let alone tell what species it is from a lousy phone pic. It's a garter snake anyway. There are no rat snakes here and it's tiny. Definitely not a juvie rat snake.


Definitely not a rat snake. If it was, the size would make it a hatchling and it looks nothing like a hatchling rat snake. Seeing the pic and with the locality info it's 95% chance it's just an unusual Thamnophis ordinoides. Still can't figure why I see a red and white snake but nobody else does I guess.

Maybe you're looking at the wrong pic xStatic. The one right above IS a white sided morph, black rat snake we already know that. This is a very small snake and he says it's brown and white, found in western WA. I think it's T. ordinoides.