The Very First of Her Kind.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

for these reasons, I am actually hoping she's a pallidus. It's hard for me to tell. But I don't think pallidus are found in this range. I am aware of this native species law, but she's not a normal sirtalis. This is how I was able to obtain a white-sided black rat snake in this state. I don't plan on living here much longer anyways.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

In response to reed_kamsler, I beleive she is hypo. So she will be bred to her own son to prove the trait true. this is the only breeding I can do until the females from her litter are of breeding age.

[GarterGuy]

Ok good to hear that you already know the laws.....oh and the white sided black rat (actually called an eastern rat now) is actually on an exempt list of animals that can be kept. No thamnophis "mutations" are on this list, just the eastern rat and eastern milksnake. (Actually had a hand in helping get the laws to where they are now through my herp society.....as much as they suck....they were going to be A LOT worse!) As far as it being pallidulus....yeh, it's WAY too far south for that. It is a real shame, I'd love to be able to work with various T.s.sirtalis morphs, but because of the laws, I'm working with pallidulus....and they're A LOT harder to get.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

im thinking maybe i should actually continue to breed maritimes, i might be selling my adult pair to don in the spring after babies come, but maybe i can keep some babies and breed them back to each other?? i read some where that maritimes change color as they get older is this true?

[Odie]

Totally a keeper and I want one too

[GarterGuy]

im thinking maybe i should actually continue to breed maritimes, i might be selling my adult pair to don in the spring after babies come, but maybe i can keep some babies and breed them back to each other?? i read some where that maritimes change color as they get older is this true?

I think this it true of a lot of garters. It seems that as they mature, they get a lot of their colour....unlike other snakes that start out colourful and then they fade as they get older. I know my pallidulus have really coloured up as they've been growing. I'm hoping on getting some real intense reds and grees to put with my mine (more intense then what you have ) and also hope to maybe be able to get some melanistics or other morphs. They seem to be "almost" as variable as sirtalis.....and they're legal for me....LOL.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

lol good luck with that

[Sid]

Really great looking Eastern. Love the coloration.