Well there goes my answer. The bottom two pictures look like them I didn't think red bellies were this far north. They are very round though The info on the net said they are more slender than the garter snake. Oh well I guess Ill have to stick to my store bought corns. Now Im wondering what the very large ones on the maneur pile are, got to be between 2 and a half to well over 3 feet and very wide around. Yes Dekay Brown Ill put them back to the pile of grubs and whatever else they are eating out there first thing tomorrow morning they are easy to handle I was going to release them today but thought I would try to feed them first and since they ate some outdoor creepy crawlers today I figured another day wouldn't hurt. Whats with the color differences these two could be the match of your two. Now how may I ask could I find a young garter snake instead of redbellies.