Possible WC hypo

[Bill]

James. Can I point out one thing. You keep quoteing mamal genetics bird genetics and so on. We are talking about reptile genetics and more to the point snake genetics. You keep quoteing apples and were talking oranges. And pleasr whoever reads this don't think I am an expert on snakes. No far from it . I am however a professional Chameleon breeder and before that I had one of the largest dart frog collections in the North east. I do however now when I am talking to someone that knows what there talking about in a specific field and I would listen very carefully to what Shannon has to say!

[adamanteus]

Pigment is pigment is pigment, is it not? I always listen to Shannon, but I still require explanation. I won't believe whatever I'm told without some form of source or basis for that information.
I'm impressed that you're a chameleon breeder, Bill. For many years I was a professional herpetologist, so I know a bit about snakes. But I have always found genetics (and 'labelling') confusing.

[adamanteus]

Pigment is pigment is pigment, is it not? I always listen to Shannon, but I still require explanation. I won't believe whatever I'm told without some form of source or basis for that information.

I don't know the answer, that's why I'm asking the question. But the answer 'Because Shannon says so' just doesn't cut it for me. (No offense Shannon).

[Lori P]

Hi Bill, and welcome!! I think your snake is just lovely, no matter what he/she ends up being called. :-) I hope you enjoy it here!

[Bill]

Well I have to go for now. It was nice chating with you all. I will try to take some more pictures in the sun light. Maybe we can get a better idea with the new pictures. Thanks so much for all of your opinions. I didn't mean to cause such a fuss. I hope you all have a great night. Latter!

[adamanteus]

Fuss is great, Bill. Thanks for the topic! Catch you later.

[Bill]

Hi Bill, and welcome!! I think your snake is just lovely, no matter what he/she ends up being called. :-) I hope you enjoy it here!

Thank you,Lori. For your compliments and your gracious welcome!

[Bill]

Fuss is great, Bill. Thanks for the topic! Catch you later.

Thanks James, It was nice to meet you and I do hope to catch you latter. Have a great one!

[Garter_Gertie]

Shannon, I don't know if you copied all that - doesn't sound like it; sounds like your syntax - or if it came outta your head because you know it.

Nonetheless, my respect for you (and continued enjoyment of your posts) has shot up even more than what it was.

I didn't understand a dang thing you said, but I enjoyed reading and trying to learn.

Woman, you are truly something.

Bill is correct!

Leucistic snakes are the ones that are white. In mammals, many albino one's are white simply because most mammals are one solid color. There are both leucistic AND albino animals, both of whom look similar because mammals are already one solid color so naturally their albino form is one solid light white colors. The difference can usually be seen in the eyes, an albino creature should have reddish or noticeably light or see-through eyes. Leucistic animals almost always have blue or black eyes, but either way there is some blackness to the eye. Many mammals who are referred to as albino are technically leucistic.

Tyrosinase negative albinos are the same thing as Amelanistic, both terms mean that the snake lacks the pigment melanin (or technically, the tyrosinase that helps make it). So, an amelanistic or albino snake would have varying degrees of pigmentation (depending on the strain), he should have all of his pigments, excluding the melanin.

Hypo melanistic and tyrosinase positive albino are very similar. Both animals have and roduce melanin, in hypo's, it is reduced areas of melanin coverage, whereas in T positive albino, you won't see any actually black pigmentation or patches of darker skin, there is only a trace amount of melanin in their skin, and their eyes are usually dark.

[Garter_Gertie]

I'd call them 'wine,' vs. caramel. Such a rich red w/o really being red. I don't know. Know what I mean? Caramel's more brownie?

Well... Very few albinos lack all their pigment...

Maybe there is a better genetic term for these "Caramel Albinos" but that's what Scott calls them. *shrug*
And his snake has red eyes.