Snaky's snakes...

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

25?! congrats!

[Mommy2many]

What a nice bunch of squiggles!

[ConcinusMan]

I don't recall ever seeing less than 20 from my pair, (pair now gone) 50 at most, with a few stillborns, but those are some darn fine young you got there. Nice and thick and well developed compared to the tiny little ones I was getting. Nice rich colors too, and nice variation, especially with the stripes. Gongrats! Nice going!

I have to ask...

Any hint of lateral stripes on any of them? I always got a few like that, consistent with the population their parents came from.

[Snaky]

Thanks everybody

25?! congrats!

Yep, 23 in the picture and 2 more found later

I don't recall ever seeing less than 20 from my pair, (pair now gone) 50 at most, with a few stillborns, but those are some darn fine young you got there. Nice and thick and well developed compared to the tiny little ones I was getting. Nice rich colors too, and nice variation, especially with the stripes. Gongrats! Nice going!

I have to ask...

Any hint of lateral stripes on any of them? I always got a few like that, consistent with the population their parents came from.

I've heard from a reliable source about the difference in clutch sizes depending on the area the concinnus are coming from. I don't remember the details anymore though, but I believe this is true. My clutches ( and together with me a lot of people from Europe having the bloodline from Steven Bol ) are small (<15 often), but the young one's are bigger and thicker. But there is another bloodline circuling in Europe and clutches from that bloodline are indeed always >20, even higher.

I'll check it better when I have some time, but I've not seen the lateral stripes yet...

[ConcinusMan]

That's what I've been hearing too. Small clutch sizes. Snakes collected in SW Washington State, USA or NW Oregon State have always had large clutches for me. For a large female (70-120cm) clutches have always been 20-50 count but the offspring are definitely very small and require careful tending in order to thrive and some always fail and do not make it past 6 months old.

By contrast, an adult T. ordinoides collected in the same area and measuring only about 50cm will have only 5-7 young but they are much larger than the concinnus offspring and tough as nails, and never fail to thrive. Small clutches always, and always large young.

The result? There are so many ordinoides to be found here. I'm talking millions. Can't say that for concinnus. I think that the concinnus have more offspring but lose many if not all to predators (birds eat them) and failure to thrive.

[Snaky]

Well, Like expected it took a long time for the next birth.... untill today!

I already thought so the last couple of weeks, but it was a very nice home coming with my first youngs of Thamnophis eques cuitzeoensis!!

Here are some pictures:

The whole group:

There is 1 very, very small one. I've not yet decided if I'll put him apart or not:

[Mommy2many]

Very nice group you have there!

[bkhuff1s]

I'm liking the blue stripe.

[BUSHSNAKE]

you rock! those are awesome

[guidofatherof5]

Great looking snakes.