The Confusion Continues (ID thread)

[ssssnakeluvr]

I still say valley garter, fitchi...I have fitchi with spots like your red spot....
http://www.donsgartersnakes.net/pictures/slide163.jpg

this link should work, goes to my valley garter pic...it was mislabeled by my friend that does the site, says from Idaho, but is actually from Utah...

[Chad Lane]

That snake you posted is not a Valley Garter fitchi. Looks nothing like it. Had pattern is way off. Looks more like a Red Sided....


Cheers,
Chad

[chris87]

i also think it looks like a red sided

[Ameivaboy]

I would love if someone had pictures of a fitchi from northern oregon, that might shine some light on the subject

[chris87]

anyway thay r very nice snakes mate

[ssssnakeluvr]

Chad..the snake I posted is a valley garter....no red sided, t s parietalis, in Idaho or Utah!!! I stick by my id....I have caught numerous valley garters in Idaho...99% have the red cheek.....where do you live?:????

[adamanteus]

Chad, if you take a look at the comparative distribution ranges of the two sub-species I think you will see that Don is right. His snake is indeed a T. s. fitchi.
snakefinder

[Ameivaboy]

tori most of my field time is spent in marin county and i have never seen an infernalis that looks like that, and regardless there is no way that it is a red sided just by locality alone

[Ameivaboy]

it Kat that picture is a pickeringii, it was a comparison picture

[Stefan-A]

Looks like a fairly typical infernalis to me?