Sirtalis ssp?

[Sherrie]

T. s. fitchi (Valley garter snake) doesn't come close to ranging in TX.

That's right, which is why the entire subspecies of sirtalis being banned in Texas makes no sense to me. Surely that can't be right.

[guidofatherof5]

That's right, which is why the entire subspecies of sirtalis being banned in Texas makes no sense to me. Surely that can't be right.

Making sense and laws don't mix very often.
Take for instance the "dangerous animal" list in my city code. Bears, lions, tigers, rhinos and snapping turtles. Who the heck put snapping turtles in the mix?
It wouldn't surprise me if all the subspecies of sirtalis were banned.

[Didymus20X6]

Who the heck put snapping turtles in the mix?

Steve, as you like to say in your videos, Tank is an exception.

[jwolfe152]

see where it said that Thamnophis sirtalis ssp was on the black list i thought that meant any subspecies of Thamnophis sirtalis that was native to texas

[Sherrie]

see where it said that Thamnophis sirtalis ssp was on the black list i thought that meant any subspecies of Thamnophis sirtalis that was native to texas

Well that would make more sense. Then it would also mean the person who gave me the info in my first post is incorrect.

[jwolfe152]

honestly im not 100% but thats my opinion and how i interpreted it but i would call someone to be 100% that and guidofatherof5 isnt someone i would correct unless 110% about something lol

[guidofatherof5]

honestly im not 100% but thats my opinion and how i interpreted it but i would call someone to be 100% that and guidofatherof5 isnt someone i would correct unless 110% about something lol

I make my share of mistake and need to be called out when it happens. I'm still and will continue learning also.

[Sherrie]

No I wasn't correcting Steve. I think we're on the same page. Lol.

[jwolfe152]

No I wasn't correcting Steve. I think we're on the same page. Lol.

always good to be on the same page

i was just offering my opinion of what i read ive had so much help i want to start helping if i can this place is freaking awsome

I make my share of mistake and need to be called out when it happens. I'm still and will continue learning also.

i was meaning you know a hell of a lot more than me on garters and unless i knew 110% but if i read something different then i would ask an opinion not just jump on someone they was wrong.

[EasternGirl]

So...for some of the more experienced members...since Common Garter often refers to the eastern garter, T.s.sirtalis, does that mean that easterns are banned from being owned in Texas? That is odd to me. Or is the law saying that any subspecies under Common Garter family is banned? Again...odd to me.

Sherrie...usually, from what I have seen regarding laws on owning non-venomous snakes, they usually do not want people to own species that are not native to the area...they don't want non-native species being introduced into the wild. But, as others have said...it's best to check out the specific laws in your area. I know that there is a site online in Delaware that specifies what species are native and which are illegal to own. In Delaware, you cannot own venomous, large snakes such as pythons and boas, and any non-native garters.