!!garters illegal in Ontario!!

[GarterGuy]

That sucks. I hope they dont do that to pa cause i love easterns.

Ummmm...hate to break it to you, but they have. You can only posess or collect a single individual speices of native PA herp that's not a species of interest, threatened or endangered. You can get permits for I think about $20 per snake this year yet to "grandfather" any snakes you already have, but the collection of any more would be considered illegal. If any one in PA is interested, I have copies of the current herp laws (as of Jan. 2007) for the state. They do make allowances for colour variants that occur outside the state, like melanistics, flames and Fla. blues and also don't count "specialty" morphs like albinos and such. (Had to fight to get that put into the laws!!!)

Roy

[Josh]

Ummmm...hate to break it to you, but they have. You can only posess or collect a single individual speices of native PA herp that's not a species of interest, threatened or endangered. You can get permits for I think about $20 per snake this year yet to "grandfather" any snakes you already have, but the collection of any more would be considered illegal. If any one in PA is interested, I have copies of the current herp laws (as of Jan. 2007) for the state. They do make allowances for colour variants that occur outside the state, like melanistics, flames and Fla. blues and also don't count "specialty" morphs like albinos and such. (Had to fight to get that put into the laws!!!)

Roy

So for me to have an eastern is illegal?????
and yes im interested in the herp laws!

[GarterGuy]

So for me to have an eastern is illegal?????
and yes im interested in the herp laws!

No, it's not illegal. You can have ONE native herp that's not on the special interest list.....you just can't have two.....that were wild caught. You can have as many as you want that are captive bred, but you need to have documentation stating that they are captive bred snakes. I'll be posting the herp laws for PA on here soon. It's several pages long and I'm trying to filter out the stuff that doesn't deal with snakes (ie. snapping turtles and such).

Roy

[Josh]

Yea it makes more sense then a snake census lol

[Josh]

This kinda stuff is nonsense.Next we cant eat the fruits native to there!!

[ssssnakeluvr]

shhhhh!!! someone might hear you!!!!

[Pinky]

Not too hard for me to bite my tounge it's my kids I worry about telling the worng set of ears!LOL

[Serpentine99]

I for one think that the state governments have gotten so bad that they can make any law they want and not even ask the public how we feel about it. I bet they didn't ask one owner of a native animal before they made some of these laws. You want to save snakes, why don't try to prevent people from spreading myths about snakes so they won't kill them.

I went to the city the other day where my dad's the landlord of a house. I went to go see what some kid's where looking at and they had killed a black garter with orange stripes. Unbelievable coloration, and they killed it. I tried to keep calm and ask them why they did it, and they're response was they thought it was a copperhead.

Why don't the incorporate native animals into the school curriculum? Oh wait forgot, Federal government says we have to study for standardized testing, don't even get me started on them.

[GarterGuy]

Luckily in PA, there were a lot of us hobbyist who got to put in something for the new laws that came out. It was kind of funny, but they stated that they had no idea that the herp keeping communitiy was so large or how the laws they were going to be passing would affect them. For what they are, they're in place to help protect the native species from exploitation. It does suck a bit, but at the same time, I'd rather be able to go out and see stuff in the wild then only be able to see it in a tank. With the allowances that were made, people are still able to keep they're animals and get more....just with a few exceptions.

Roy

[GarterGirl]

ILLEGAL TO KEEP A GARTER?
THAT'S CRAZY!
THEY'RE HARMLESS!
THAT'S THE WORST LAW I HAVE EVER HEARD OF!

Good thing they don't have that law here!
phew