New "Family" photos

[Tyrel26]

not really that nice....you should send them to me and get yourself some nice ones lol


beautiful snakes, epically that last one.

Remember, beauty truly is in the eye of the beholder.

[ConcinusMan]

Remember, beauty truly is in the eye of the beholder.

I like to say beauty is in the eye of the "beer holder"

[ConcinusMan]

Oh, well maybe you should look at a head shot too. 3 stripe T.s. concinnus:



another pic:



Valley garter Thamnophis sirtalis fitchii:



The differences can be very subtle, but they are there.

[ConcinusMan]

Another fitchii:



And now a T.s. infernalis:


Starting to see those subtle differences now?

I know, sometimes it can be very tough to distinguish these snakes from one another, especially in areas where their ranges come very close or overlap one another.

[ssssnakeluvr]

Another fitchii:

love that fitchi!!!!

[ConcinusMan]

Confused yet? No? then let me throw in yet another. Thamnophis sirtalis pickeringii. That's another one that is commonly sold as "Oregon Red Spotted Garter" when in reality, it's a Canadian pickeringii. Now that's something I never understood. Why is it that a blue puget sound garter is considered the same subspecies as this guy? Seems to me that it should be a different subspecies for obvious reasons.

Typical Blue phase puget (pickeringii) This is how they look in the south puget sound area. North of the canadian border, and in other areas, they look like the above picture.

[Hollis_Steed]

boy you're right...confusing! Beautful snakes all! Thanks for the pointers in getting this figured out.

[ConcinusMan]

"figured out" is something that never really happens. Heck , the scientists behind the naming of species and subspecies still don't have it figured out so don't feel bad.