San francisco garters?

[PINJOHN]

it might be best to be cautious when it comes to san frans its being claimed that in the UK at least, some are unexpectedly dyeing at around two years of age,
i would recommend contacting Alan Francis as he knows his stuff, and he gets his garters from as wide a source as possible, he is very friendly and helpful.

[RepGuru]

Yes I'm aware of this problem. The one's I was offered were from someone ultra reliable and trustworthy. He would not risk his reputation by selling on animals with any problems at all. The asking price was insane so I'm still looking.....!

[ConcinusMan]

Captive breeding I feel is not the answer to saving this species in the wild but if they don't wake up and get a healthy captive population going before something catastrophic happens to the wild population, we could lose the species entirely.

I'm all for responsible and authorized collecting (Even if it's just to "borrow" wild snakes and return them) for captive breeding in zoos right here in the U.S. I would like to see healthy populations of these snakes in zoos, and to see zoos exchanging them for breeding programs. At least that way if there's a catastrophe in the wild, there will be a healthy gene pool of captives to save the species. Better to have them behind glass than to not have them at all.

[guidofatherof5]

Thanks, Stefan.

[zooplan]

www is an endless universe
I remember the layout of that article, we had a nice chat here those days.

Some of the year dates are wrong because they were told from reminding
instead of zoo archives.
So it´s not only a document of the breeding status of 1998 but furthermore any image of the knowledge at that time.

[RedSidedSPR]

I'm cool with not keeping them, I was just kinda surprised. I always thought you could buy them somewhere... even if it was from the UK.

[ConcinusMan]

Well you can... just not if you live here in the U.S. Just as some species of garters are illegal to keep in certain states. CA for example. Illegal to keep any garters that are native to CA if you live in CA. The only difference here is, with S.F. garters, it's illegal to keep them anywhere in the U.S.

[zooplan]

Furthermore it´s illegal to send them to any US-keeper.
Nobody who wants to visit USA again should risk.
There´s a Germany guy testing California jail for sending spiders ilegally although they where legally bred in his home.

[guidofatherof5]

Furthermore it´s illegal to send them to any US-keeper.
Nobody who wants to visit USA again should risk.
There´s a Germany guy testing California jail for sending spiders ilegally although they where legally bred in his home.

Testing the jail never heard it put that way before.
Sounds rather innocuous

[zooplan]

Einstein shall once said:
There are two endless things,
the univers and human asininely,
but I´m not sure about the univers yet!