Hello from Oregon

[Invisible Snake]

If it is an albino ordinoides and it were bred with a melanistic would that produce a snow ordinoides?

[BLUESIRTALIS]

It's possible!

if it is an albino ordinoides and it were bred with a melanistic would that produce a snow ordinoides?

[Greg'sGarters]

If it is an albino ordinoides and it were bred with a melanistic would that produce a snow ordinoides?

Hopefully, someone goes out there tomorrow and finds an all black ordinoides on their front porch!

[Invisible Snake]

Omg! We have to get that project going! A forum member from Canada has melanistic ordinoides

[AlbinoSquiggle]

LOL I've seen "Blizzard" and "Snow" so far. Is it the overall amount of color or lack there of that determines if they are snow or blizzard? Such as snow is basically all white with maybe a light hint of color and blizzard is pure white?
Is there a sticky somewhere that I can learn how to identify the different types of garters? Similar to the info that was posted about upper and lower labial count?

[-MARWOLAETH-]

Sorry I wasn't paying much attention to to the pics as I was slightly pissed when I posted first Now my sober eyes see 1st and 2nd are ordinoides 3rd vagrans

[ConcinusMan]

I'm still beginning to wonder if that T - albino gene only allows for yellow stripes. You would think they would have been found with red or orange, or other colors since they are polymorphic but only yellow is found on the T - albinos. Hmmm...

I still think it would be absolutely stunning if one of these erythristics was an albino. That is, if the red comes through in spite of being albino.



This is just one of many potential morphs that could be created using the albino gene and you know how that turned out for easterns:



Now imagine them with a multitude of different patterns and stripe colors or even stripeless.

[AlbinoSquiggle]

Just a quick update, not sure where to post items like this yet.
Not the best picture ( trying to get her to stay still for comparison) but I woke up this morning to find a present that Gary left me...
I figured she was getting close but she isn't nearly as obvious as the other snakes going through shed.
I believe this is the 4th possibly 5th shed since I have had her. They have all been complete with the eyes and the full tail.
From what I have been reading on here if she sheds pretty consistently around 4-6 weeks then for her age she is healthy and growing well. Is that fairly accurate or am I misunderstanding something? I don't often find full size snake skins around the garden so I was trying to find out how often is "Normal".

[ConcinusMan]

Shedding frequency is tied to growth rate. The reason they have to shed is that they outgrow that layer of skin. They don't shed individual cells like you and I do so once that outer layer gets too tight, they have to shed the entire thing. A brand new skin formed underneath expands and hardens after the old one comes off. Each shed is slightly larger than the last. If she's shedding every 4-6 weeks and all in one piece, then she is healthy and growing very rapidly. Eventually, this rate will slow down as she matures.

The high frequency tells me she is still very young. Perhaps less than 18 mos. old.

[AlbinoSquiggle]

To digress a bit I have to post your signature line on FB!!! I love it!