Gulf Coast Ribbon?

[adamanteus]

Can you photograph them for me, Elliot?

[Elliot]

Can you photograph them for me, Elliot?

If I see one, I'd be happy to! My camera kinda sucks though, it doesn't have any zoom and it's only 3.2 megapixels.

[adamanteus]

That's okay, as long as it's in focus! That would be Agkistrodon contortrix mokasen in your area, right?

[Elliot]

Actually, we have Agkistrodon contortrix contortrix.

[adamanteus]

You do? Photos, photos, photos! (So I can argue with you!)

[Elliot]

lol alright, I went to look to see if I could find one, I only found a shed skin. We live very far south in the US, so it makes sense to have southern copperheads I guess.

[GarterGuy]

Hmmm....can't really tell from the pics, but this is how the two different subspecies are described in Audubon Society Field Guide to North American Reptiles and Amphibians...this thing's like my ID bible.

Western (T.p.proximus), black back, narrow orange back stripe; no dark stripe bordering belly scales; Indiana, s.Wisconsin, and e. Nebraska south to s. Louisiana, and ne. Texas.

Gulf Coast (T.p.orarius), olive brown back, wide gold back stripe, no dark stripe bordering belly scales; along coast, extreme s. Mississippi to s. Texas.

Hope this helps, from where you got them I'd say Gulf Coast.

Roy

[Elliot]

Hmmm....can't really tell from the pics, but this is how the two different subspecies are described in Audubon Society Field Guide to North American Reptiles and Amphibians...this thing's like my ID bible.

Western (T.p.proximus), black back, narrow orange back stripe; no dark stripe bordering belly scales; Indiana, s.Wisconsin, and e. Nebraska south to s. Louisiana, and ne. Texas.

Gulf Coast (T.p.orarius), olive brown back, wide gold back stripe, no dark stripe bordering belly scales; along coast, extreme s. Mississippi to s. Texas.

Hope this helps, from where you got them I'd say Gulf Coast.

Roy

I think that they're just very dark Gulf Coasts.

[adamanteus]

I can't find my Audobon Field Guide! I hope I haven't lent it to someone, if I have I can't remember who!

[Elliot]

Now I'm starting to think that they are just Westerns. Their stripes aren't orange enough it appears. I'll get a good comparison shot here in a second.