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    Re: cross breeding

    custom colour garters
    Well, I hope not...that would only attract the wrong kind of people (and some true garterfans as well, but you know what I mean)

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    Re: cross breeding

    In Europe we have a lot of programms in zoos or special breeding stations to produce offspring of endangered species to release those again.
    But this can only work if there are protected habitats for them to live.
    Allready waiting for the sommer
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    Re: cross breeding

    also
    animals that are bred in captivity to re-stock native habitats are kept very differently from how most of us keep our snakes
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    Re: cross breeding

    I haven't heard of any programs here like that, but i am going to look into it, just out of curiosity. What surprises me most is that around here we have LOTS of open areas just outside the city-Canada is a vast, rather empty country, so I'm actually kind of puzzled as to why the Butler's are so endangered in the first place. On any afternoon drive I see hundreds of fields, meadows and wooded areas that would be perfect for them, and yet all I read about is that it is destruction of habitat that causes their problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anji1971 View Post
    On a more serious note ( no purple snake stuff), and from what was mentioned about the Hogg's boas, could careful breeding help bring back a population of endangered varieties of snake? Here we have the Butler's garter which is protected, but if someone involved in that field could breed them could they not be released into the wild to bring up the numbers???
    Are there a lot of species that have been dwindled by cross-breeding??
    It isnt as easy as just breeding them and letting them go (unfortunately). Captive bred released snakes can carry pathogens that can decimate wild populations.
    animals that are bred in captivity to re-stock native habitats are kept very differently from how most of us keep our snakes
    This is also true. Just as we condition our captives to accept our preferred food items, they would need to be equipped to recognize their naturally available prey items. Snakes run on almost pure instinct, but behaviors can be learned.
    On any afternoon drive I see hundreds of fields, meadows and wooded areas that would be perfect for them, and yet all I read about is that it is destruction of habitat that causes their problem
    Those fields could feed a zebra too, but that doesnt mean its where they should be. OR that land is part of a higher predators habitat, like a hawk, skunk, fox, anything that consumes snakes. I have a pond in my backyard, but I've yet to see a frog back there!

    And as for the purple snake, if someone bred them, then theyd have to name it. and if we started getting into fancy garter morphs that could generate Regius money, Thamnophis would signify social status rather than anti-establishment herps!

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    Re: cross breeding

    Very good points, rancor!!
    That's why I need the knowledge of this forum, cause my brain just spits out random thoughts, and i need the expertise of those who actually have the ambition to research!!!!

    I still think the purple snakes would be neat though! Even if I would not be one of those with the "social status" to have one!!
    Anji

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    Re: cross breeding

    Quote Originally Posted by anji1971 View Post
    On a more serious note ( no purple snake stuff), and from what was mentioned about the Hogg's boas, could careful breeding help bring back a population of endangered varieties of snake? Here we have the Butler's garter which is protected, but if someone involved in that field could breed them could they not be released into the wild to bring up the numbers??? I know this isn't cross-breeding, but it's just a thought that I've wondered about.
    Often when a species becomes rare, it's because of destruction of its habitat, competition from other species or predation. In none of these cases the solution would be to increase their numbers, unless it is accompanied by restoration of the habitat or increased pressure on the competing or predating species (or the complete elimination of those species from the area) and even then releasing them would only serve to boost the natural population. (As somebody mentioned, releasing the snakes has its risks as well, and an additional problem is that you would lose a lot of genetic diversity by breeding them in captivity.) We see a lot of similar issues with fish. Releasing enormous amounts of trout in a river where there is a small natural population, does NOTHING to improve the situation of the natural population.

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    Re: cross breeding

    Sigh..............oh well then, on to the next random, unresearched thought.......
    Anji

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    Re: cross breeding

    the only captive breeding in order to restock wildlife program that I know anything about is the California Condor program
    that was successful
    they released four breeding pairs into the Sespe in the early nineties, after there had been none left in the wild for several years
    now there are over seven hundred birds
    it may not be a good idea to release captive bred snakes, however well prepared into the wild, because it may endanger the health of the existing wild population
    it is still a good idea to have strong captive population of threatened species - just in case . . .
    rhea
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    Re: cross breeding

    Quote Originally Posted by drache View Post
    the only captive breeding in order to restock wildlife program that I know anything about is the California Condor program
    that was successful
    they released four breeding pairs into the Sespe in the early nineties, after there had been none left in the wild for several years
    now there are over seven hundred birds
    . . .
    Canada also helped with wolves in yellowstone, i believe. While it wasnt a genetic exact match, the reintroduction, to my limited knowledge was also a success. so much so, that Mr G.W. is contemplating a cull...
    Friends of Animals | Help Stop the Bush Administration’s Latest Debacle: Aerial Gunning of Greater Yellowstone Wolves
    Thats what happens when humans intervene in something they have little knowledge and even less control over...

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