Technical "Morph" question

[Stefan-A]

Selective breeding does not occur in nature; it's only done by man.

I do agree with you on this, selective breeding does not occur in nature (if mankind is excluded from the definition of nature). Unless you see it from the perspective that all we are doing, is making a mutualistic relationship possible. We're not the only species doing that.

I'm okay, now, Stefan. I've read and re-read and I'm still sticking with what I believe to be true.

You may still however be believing in something that isn't true.

[Garter_Gertie]

I'm okay, now, Stefan. I've read and re-read and I'm still sticking with what I believe to be true.

[Garter_Gertie]

Here's another site: Natural Selection

Natural selection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[infernalis]

sorry, so many replies so quick....

Love hot discussions

[Garter_Gertie]

Stefan, I think you, also are confusing natural selection with selective breeding. Previously you'd not mentioned humans - who are very selective - and we were discussing snakes.

Has the topic changed or the equation been added to? Humans, yes are selective, or I think subjective, when partnering. I think we need to not split hairs and tangent. We were talking about snakes and their morphs; humans at that time were not involved.

Unless I've missed some new idea on the subject - which is possible - I still feel what I think to be true, is true.

[Stefan-A]

Stefan, I think you, also are confusing natural selection with selective breeding. Previously you'd not mentioned humans - who are very selective - and we were discussing snakes.

Now you lost me.

Selective breeding is an extension of natural selection. By that, I mean that aberrant snakes, for example, have traits that actually make us favour them (I could just as well use dogs as an example). The same trait may not necessarily be an advantage under different circumstances, but under the circumstances that we have created, it is. Albinos are conspicuous and predators spot them easily. As a result, they occur much less frequently than normal coloured snakes in the wild. However, we favour them because of the trait that made them conspicuous in the first place.

Has the topic changed or the equation been added to? Humans, yes are selective, or I think subjective, when partnering. I think we need to not split hairs and tangent. We were talking about snakes and their morphs; humans at that time were not involved.

Well, the reason why I'm talking about humans here, is because I'm trying to illustrate why there's no relevant difference between a naturally occurring albino individual and one that is born as a result of selective breeding.

[Garter_Gertie]

Never mind!

[infernalis]

Weird... I think more than one post disappeared, Dekay.

Nothing disappeared MK, we have all been talking so fast, that what you expect to be one post up from your last, is actually several up the chain.

I reacted so fast, As did you (I edited within 30 seconds) that what I expected to see one post up, was really way up.

[Garter_Gertie]

I don't agree with that train of thought, Stefan. My understanding makes me see you as comparing apples and oranges.

Well, the reason why I'm talking about humans here, is because I'm trying to illustrate why there's no relevant difference between a naturally occurring albino individual and one that is born as a result of selective breeding.

How do you support that? It's very relevant; one's unintentional the other's deliberate.

[Stefan-A]

comparing apples and oranges.

Both are fruits, both have a similar reproductive strategy, both have been cultivated etc. I've never fully understood why you couldn't compare apples and oranges.

How do you support that? It's very relevant; one's unintentional the other's deliberate.

Now where do I begin.. I don't consider it relevant, because regardless of what brought the two individuals together, the mechanisms through which the trait becomes visible or simply gets passed on to the next generation remains the same. Intention doesn't influence the outcome, so it's not relevant.

In fact, I contend that it's incorrect to call one intentional and the other unintentional. Intention is involved in both situations, although not in the same form. Or in neither, depending on your perspective.