"Anery" Concinnus Arrived!

[drui9201]

He wants an Anery & Albino pair of Concinnus to breed and make snow Concinnus.

[Jeff B]

I guess I'm as green as they come since I didn't understand any of that last sentence. First off, why would you only want one instead of a pair? second, there are no albino concinnus (prove me wrong) and I don't even know what to say about the snow dance.

What I meant.... and yes to my knowledge there aren't any albino concinnus available either which is why I said I would want one. But anyway what I meant was that if I had and anery concinnus and could then also aquire an albino concinnus (if one were to pop in somewhere from the wild) then I would try to create a snow concinnus.

[Jeff B]

The anery plains is a little complicated because it really shows characteristics of all three of the overly-simplified gene names; axanthic, anerythristic, and melanistic.
1. It does perhaps show melanistic charateristics, in that it does show increased black look, however that could be from an increase in melanin or a decrease in the other overlaying pigments (by the way it is not a solid black snake, and it does show pattern in grays)
2. It does demonstrate typical classical anerythristic traits in that it takes away the red-orange of the Nebraska albino when the snow is produced.
3. It does demonstate typical classical axanthic traits in that it takes away the yellows of the Iowa albino when the snow is produced.

The problem is that we have to put name on a gene and put it into a simple name group to be able to reference the animal with "said" gene, but the reality is that the gene could have multiple effects on a pathway and the final visual outcome and it may not not be "black or white", there is often a lot of gray area as to which group these genes fits into.

So I don't think anery is necessarily wrong, or needs to be changed, even if one of the other names may seem to be a better fit.
The important thing is that it is a single recessive gene, and it has been characterized what the power of that gene can do and that is has a predictable inheritance pattern, and that work has all been done by Scott Felzer, so lets just respect that fact.

[ssssnakeluvr]

What I meant.... and yes to my knowledge there aren't any albino concinnus available either which is why I said I would want one. But anyway what I meant was that if I had and anery concinnus and could then also aquire an albino concinnus (if one were to pop in somewhere from the wild) then I would try to create a snow concinnus.

there was one years ago...when I first checked out thamnophis.com....had a pic of one on there. no info on it tho

[Spankenstyne]

I can't stop looking at these pictures.
I gotta say I lean towards anery as well, or at least some variation of.

[Snaky]

Looks exactly like me male, here's a picture of him:


I truly like him and I'm the only one I know in Europe having 'anery concinnus'. I saved some females from a nest of previous year and next year I'll try to breed them again with the male. I hope I'll see the thread appear

They look great, very nice additions!

[charles parenteau]

wow amazing garter snake!!!Shannon your photos are awesome...

[Scaley.Jade]

grrrr you still make me jealous

[Quibble]

Wow, great pics Shannon!
Genetics absolutely fascinate me, and this is one subject I can truly obsess over.

I would consider them anery because of the fact that they sort of look 'green'. It takes some form of yellow to do that, so there must be some there. I think if they were axanthic they would look more blue/silver instead of blue/green. Does anyone consider my opinion valid?

If i had a good photo editing program, i would take a pic of a normal concinnus, once filtering out red, and once filtering out yellow and seeing which pic looked closest to the odd ones. However im still not sure it would be a geneticaly appropriate guess.

[BUSHSNAKE]

hey Shannon love the pickeringii, you need a mate for it just like it!