I need help IDing this Garter Snake

[RedSidedSPR]

Post the link.

[snakehill]

Post the link.

Who Me??!!

[snakehill]

Oh Santa Cruz!! Beautiful garters!!!

[ConcinusMan]

He looks like a eastern, but yeah, redsided is possible, I've seen some with NO red. They look just like that...

Same here. I've seen them too. (in pictures) Red sided (T.s. pariatalis) without red are nearly indistinguishable from easterns (T.s sirtalis) but they do happen. Chances are this one is just an eastern, which as most of you know, are highly variable.

[ConcinusMan]

Scotts Golden (lacking red) red sided:



Another red sided found not too long ago that doesn't have any red:

[RedSidedSPR]

How'd you find pictures?! I looked everywhere! Those arent the ones I was lookjn for but still!

See? There ya go. They exist.

[ConcinusMan]

It helps that I was involved in a discussion on another forum that was started prior to this thread. There was some debate as to the I.D. of the snake in the second two pictures. So when this thread came up, I already knew where the pictures are.

[RedSidedSPR]

Yeah, that would help

[Jeff B]

Scotts Golden (lacking red) red sided:



Another red sided found not too long ago that doesn't have any red:

The snake in the second and third pic here look very, very, very radix to me. Very sharp line on side 4th scale up on side and a very radix looking head and neck.

[RedSidedSPR]

I was thinking that too....