Accidental Breeding -- Help!

[Stefan-A]

in case you forgot the intergades l had were naturally occurring,so would you have had these culled?

Those individuals weren't naturally occurring anymore, so yes.

[kimbosaur]

Regarding euthanasia in the case of reptiles AND dogs, the justifications are immaterial and the call should be (isn't necessarily) the owner's.

So you believe owning an animal allows one the right to euthanize it without any cause?

I don't think that's an extreme position at all. That's a quite responsible one. The alternative would be to keep species that are incapable of surviving in that climate.

It's an extreme in the sense that it is much more idealistic than it is realistic.


I guess it is the case of two combating perspectives: "the scientist" vs. "the pet owner". Where the pet owner sees his/her animals more as family members, the scientist sees them more as subjects.

[Stefan-A]

So you believe owning an animal allows one the right to euthanize it without any cause?

With all the things you are allowed to subject your animal to, why not euthanasia?

It's an extreme in the sense that it is much more idealistic than it is realistic.

It's a stroke of the pen away.

I guess it is the case of two combating perspectives: "the scientist" vs. "the pet owner". Where the pet owner sees his/her animals more as family members, the scientist sees them more as subjects.

That's a dichotomy I don't subscribe to.

[kimbosaur]

With all the things you are allowed to subject your animal to, why not euthanasia?

This same argument could be used to justify anything. Why not starve them, beat them? Why not allow puppy mills to just do their thing? Why not allow pit bull owners to let their dogs fight to the death for a kick and a few extra bucks?

That's a dichotomy I don't subscribe to.

Not really a dichotomy - I believe many participants of this discussion are a little bit of both in one way or another.

[Stefan-A]

This same argument could be used to justify anything. Why not starve them, beat them? Why not allow puppy mills to just do their thing? Why not allow pit bull owners to let their dogs fight to the death for a kick and a few extra bucks?

Not really. We are talking about things that are allowed. Most countries do prohibit unnecessary suffering and euthanasia certainly doesn't fall under it, provided it's performed correctly. Neither does power feeding and running the reptile equivalent of puppy mills, intentional inbreeding, production of deformed individuals, production of lines with various congenital disorders, hybrids etc. Among all the things you can do to snakes, that's "okay" in the community, euthanasia is among the most humane.

Not really a dichotomy - I believe many participants of this discussion are a little bit of both in one way or another.

The way you presented it, it literally was a dichotomy, but I accept your clarification.

[kimbosaur]

We are talking about things that are allowed.

Thanks for the clarification

[stevenrudge]

Your not making any sense,So just to recap-the W/C female l bought that was gravid from a natural mating,in the wild that turned out to be a naturally occuring intergade,would you have had them culled? bearing in mind that this was not a product of captivity?

[Stefan-A]

Your not making any sense,So just to recap-the W/C female l bought that was gravid from a natural mating,in the wild that turned out to be a naturally occuring intergade,would you have had them culled? bearing in mind that this was not a product of captivity?

I'm going to assign you a little bit of homework. Your assignment will be to:
A. figure out why I have a problem with hybrids (which "intergrades" are)
B. figure out, based on what you've learned in part A, whether it makes a lick of difference whether the mating happened in the wild or not.

Good luck!

[stevenrudge]

Patronising and silly,first you argue that captive intergading is wrong,now you say that naturally occuring intergading is wrong,and you get intergading and hybrids mixed up!,and when your illogical and frankly stupid argument is shown to be wrong you get insulting. l cannot be bothered with your silly mixed up nonsensical rubbish

[stevenrudge]

PS l'll take your apology by private massage