Its oh so quiet Shh Shh

[infernalis]

free room and board, free meals & medical all at the expense of the taxpayers.

Bring back medieval law & chop off his hands.

The American justice system is too soft.

If people thought they were going to lose their hands, crime rates would fall dramatically.

[gregmonsta]

If people thought they were going to lose their hands, crime rates would fall dramatically.

People thought the same about the death penalty .... essentially what should be done is to solve the problems in the community, the imbalance in the world of money and the legislations that keep forcing people into finding other means to get by.

[infernalis]

Not really, there is no excuse in my mind.

it falls back to parents who fail to teach children right from wrong.

when a child gets caught shoplifting, the parents go to court and say things like "My kid would never do that, he fell in with the wrong crowd"

that's BS, sorry but mom and dad should punish that child harder than the courts ever could.

Oh they cannot set their beer down long enough to be bothered with raising the kids correctly..

so the rest of us get stuck with a society that is falling apart due to lack of discipline at the very core, at home.

When I was growing up, a lie would get me punched in the mouth by my father, consistently every time.

I got caught taking something from a store when I was 13, I couldn't even walk straight after the beating I got for that.

Never stole again either. Discipline works, but people call the damn child help line nowadays if you smack a kid.

[gregmonsta]

Not really, there is no excuse in my mind.

I wasn't aware that I was offering an excuse .... I was simply pointing out that chopping peoples arms off for stealing won't do a better job of prevention than the death penalty does for other crimes .

I'm not saying that discipline and the nanny-state are not a problem (they are) but for anything to work there needs to be a serious restructuring of things .... especially when the roots of society's problems lie in the financial inequality that was born and bred into democracy from the fascistic imperial monarchies that founded the modern cultures and imbued them with need, greed and envy.

That persons hands may yet do good things (however unlikely).

At any rate criminals should be put to much better use anyway ... drugs trials, cosmetics testing, forced labour, etc.

[infernalis]

At any rate criminals should be put to much better use anyway ... drugs trials, cosmetics testing, forced labour, etc.

Love it!

squirt soap in their eyes instead of bunny rabbits.

The forced labor part would be great if they kept it at busting rocks up with hammers to make gravel, but believe it or not here in America the prison inmates are taking jobs away from the private sector.

I had a long standing contract to refurbish toner cartridges for a large company, it was a gravy job that made me a lot of coin for very little work.

I lost the contract when a local prison trained inmates to refurb toner cartridges

they undercut my price by so much and government incentives drove the client to use the product produced by the prisoners.

I just realized that we are in the same book, just a different chapter..

My loss of that contract could have very well caused me to steal for lack of the money I used to make from that contract...

so yes, the bureaucrats have a huge responsibility in the situation.

[gregmonsta]

It's a balancing act .... I hadn't thought about that part of forced labour. Again there the politics of being able to denominate worth are at fault. I don't think we'll get to see a solution to this anytime soon with, again, the nanny state putting a spanner in the works of any real reform.
The tendency over here is having the vast majority of petty criminals tagged and left to dwell at home due to overcrowding in the system (nice lessons taught there ...).
But there are steps that can be taken and models that show significant improvement in the reduction of crime .... but nobody seems to pay attention ... stubborn countries believing their way is better (or simply not wanting to give up the phantom income generated by their black markets).

[ConcinusMan]

Look what you started Steve. You know, in Japan you can park an expensive bicycle on the sidewalk along with everyone else's bicycles and nobody locks them, you could leave it there all day or all night and nobody would take it. People just don't lock their bikes because they don't need to. Weird huh?

[infernalis]

That's because they are too busy killing flipper and eating whale bacon to worry about bikes.

[Stefan-A]

That's because they are too busy killing flipper and eating whale bacon to worry about bikes.

Yeah, why can't they stick to killing cows and eating pig bacon?

[infernalis]

Normally I embrace diverse culture, I have eaten things (while traveling) that would make some people gag to think about.

But this is one I cannot understand.

Bottle-nose meat is not even healthy to consume, and whales are dangerously close to extinction.