Shortheads in captivity?

[guidofatherof5]

It's not a right or wrong situation.
If it makes you feel better to be right than go ahead.
I'm finished and will speak of it no more.

With regards to my snakes. When and to whom I release my snakes to is my business.
Since they are in my care, I will decide what is best for them and me. You have no say in it.
To use your own words, "You may not like it, but that's just tough"

I would love to see this thread return to Shorthead garter snakes and I apologize for my part in derailing it.

[RedSidedSPR]

I'm sure Richard can understand that. He wasn't gonna sell Miss Piggy to someone who would feed her to a king snake...

Now back to Shortheads...

[d_virginiana]

Woah, just noticed this.. I think what upset me most reading the original thread was that I was under the impression that someone was harvesting a known endangered species for the hell of it. But now that I know they weren't endangered at the time then I can't really fault him any more than I do someone who hunts or eats beef.
I mean, I don't *enjoy* seeing anything eat animals I like, but I can deal with people taking wild feeders for their pets if it's necessary and done in an environmentally responsible way.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Woah, just noticed this.. I think what upset me most reading the original thread was that I was under the impression that someone was harvesting a known endangered species for the hell of it. But now that I know they weren't endangered at the time then I can't really fault him any more than I do someone who hunts or eats beef.
I mean, I don't *enjoy* seeing anything eat animals I like, but I can deal with people taking wild feeders for their pets if it's necessary and done in an environmentally responsible way.

At the time this thread was made, the shortheaded garter snake was already listed as protected with a possession limit as 0. Now maybe the photos were older, and happened before they became protected... I have no idea. But I do remember messaging him a very long time ago to ask if he knew they were a protected species in PA and the reply I got in a nutshell was "but they are really common where I live". I didn't really look into it any further and am not looking to now either.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Also, everyone needs to calm the heck down. There's no reason for the arguing going on in this thread that is entirely unrelated to shortheads. This thread is old, it needs to go back to beig dead like it was for the 2 or 3 previous years.

[Starling96]

And i dont see how people (not saying names) say that its so bad to take something from the wild even if its not for a picky feeder but we can just have a wc snake
Im not saying your going to give it a bad home but still

[d_virginiana]

And i dont see how people (not saying names) say that its so bad to take something from the wild even if its not for a picky feeder but we can just have a wc snake
Im not saying your going to give it a bad home but still

I don't think the issue is just one of whether or not it's okay to take an animal from the wild. The problem is when people take large numbers of animals from the wild for commercial purposes, since that can cause some pretty serious ecological issues or when people take an endangered/protected animal for any reason whether they want to feed it to their pet or give it a great home.
Plus, if a snake isn't a picky eater, then there's absolutely no reason to bother with catching wild snakes/frogs/lizards for it. There's a higher risk of your snake getting parasites or encountering pesticides, and running around after wild snakes is way more trouble than buying a pack of nightcrawlers from walmart

[Starling96]

"....and running around after wild snakes is way more trouble than buying a pack of nightcrawlers from walmart " totally agree lol
and yea i dont endorse that either

[d_virginiana]

... Running after wild snakes is a lot more fun than going to walmart though.

[Starling96]

I agree :P