Need some id

[aaren]

Hi,

Long time since i posted the last time ^^ but i lost all my thamnophis :/ (3 died because of mites, the last one from injuries from the mites )

I've waited a long time to keep those species again because of that.

I acquired on 13th june an adult pair of "thamnophis sauritus sackenii" but the female is very blue so i was thinking of a nitae.

Here are bad pictures from the pair ( they are stressed so have not good photos yet ^^' )

Female :


Male :


Can you help me to identifie those snakes ( if they are not sackenii ) ? =)

Tell me if you need more photos or specific details !

Thanks !

[d_virginiana]

I'm not sure you'd be able to tell the difference from those pics since those subspecies are so similar, but these two links have info on the exact scale/pattern layout of the two species, so they might help you figure out which they are. Color isn't always the best way to identify, since there can be pretty wide color variation even within subspecies.

https://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/herpetolog...itus-sackenii/

https://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/herpetolog...auritus-nitae/

[aaren]

Thanks for the link, will try to count the scales =)

[snipstedy]

How is that going with the ID? I will be looking to get at least one T.Sauritus Sackenii Do you or anyone know of a source? Thanks in advance.

[aaren]

I think the male is a sackenii, don't know if the female is a nitae or a sackenii, but will trust the seller and keep her as a sackenii

[snipstedy]

Are they rare in your area?Sackenii

[aaren]

I haven't saw them very often for sale (and never saw a nitae ). they are mainly proposed as WC but sometimes they are sauritus sauritus or proximus proximus

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I would say nitae on the female. I've never seen a sackenii with that much color. Nitae are black with blue and look like thinner versions of thamnophis sirtalis similis. Need better pics of the male.

i think the male is a sackenii, don't know if the female is a nitae or a sackenii, but will trust the seller and keep her as a sackenii

[aaren]

Male :

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Female :

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[BLUESIRTALIS]

Does the male have blue too? They both might be nitae or the male might be an intergrade.