need some advice....

[jewel-dragons]

i hope somebody can help me....
the vets here in the netherlands can not tell me what to do...

one of my marcianus has very hard very big eggs in her.... and she has it for more than 6 months now.... (maybe longer?)
i think they are stoned wax eggs.
what can i do now? she is still eating sometimes,but i think she has a problem with it.
does anyone know this problem?
here some photo's what i mean....


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/kunomooren/eggsmarci004.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/kunomooren/eggsmarci003.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/kunomooren/eggsmarci002.jpg

[CrazyHedgehog]

sorry cant help on that...you have tried warm baths and gentle massage?

[jewel-dragons]

not yet,but the eggs are very big!!! REAL BIG!!!!!

[adamanteus]

All I can think of to help, is to try to use a syringe to get baby oil or similar into the cloaca, and then try to gently manipulate them out...... but they look REAL big, Kuno.:(

[reptileparadise]

my god Kuno, They look huge!
They first thing that sprung into mind was surgery...These look way to big to come out naturally...

[garterchick]

wow, i never saw anything like this. other than what was allready suggested, (warm bath, mineral oil) i can't think of anything to try. is she still passing stool? did you say the vet doesn't know what to do?

[Tori]

I've heard of people that used a syringe with a needle. They pierced the skin and into the egg, withdrawing the fluid from inside the egg to shrink it so that the female could pass it. Its the only thing I could think of if warm soaks and massage does not work.

[KITKAT]

If you can puncture the end of the egg without hurting the snake, and using warm water soaks and mineral oil, then hemostats will assist the passage by getting hold of the tip of the now deflated egg shell.

Don't pull... just use gentle teasing.

[drache]

that looks and sounds scary, Kuno
I'm keeping my fingers crossed
I hope you can help her

[Thamnophis]

Surgery is the only real option, Kuno.
The biggest risk is that this snake will never have young again.

I do not think that an injection with Oxytocine will help, but it is maybe something to try before surgery.

[Sid]

Kuno, I wish I had some advice to help you out on the problem. Hope all turns out OK.

[Lori P]

Kuno, please keep us updated on this girl... I hope some of the above ideas may help, or that you can find a vet to remove them. Would this be considered egg binding, like what happens in birds sometimes?

[anji1971]

Keeping my fingers crossed for you...........looks very serious, I hope you can find someone who can help her.
Best wishes.

[tikichick]

I hope she'll be ok!

[Serpentine99]

that doesnt look good, hope you get it resolved soon.

[gregmonsta]

Fingers crossed.

[jewel-dragons]

thamnk you all.... she is doing okay for now.... but for how long :-S

i will post on this topic what i go do with her.... when i give her a warm bath she is relaxing very good!!! so i do that every day now....

but thank you all!!!! for the nice words.... ;-)

[jewel-dragons]

i whas thinking what to do..... but i found her dead today..... very sad,but maybe better for her...

[gregmonsta]

Really sorry to hear that ... hopefully she'll be swimming in that giant fishbowl in the sky.

[Lori P]

So sorry Kuno. :-(

[adamanteus]

Sorry to hear that, Kuno.:(

[Stefan-A]

Damn, that's a real shame. :(

[GarterGuy]

Sorry for your loss Kuno. :(

[anji1971]

Oh, the poor thing..............so sorry, Kuno. Hugs....:(:(:(

[drache]

the poor girl
at least the hard part is over for her
sad for you though - so sorry, Kuno

[Sputnik]

Oh, how sad! I'm so sorry, Kuno. That really sucks.

[Sid]

so sorry to hear she didn't make it, Kuno.:(

[Snaky]

Sorry to hear, Kuno :(

[Odie]

Bummer Dude :(

[reptileparadise]

Damn, that sucks man!

[Serpentine99]

really sorry to hear that...

[jewel-dragons]

thank you all..... but i feel a little guilty now.... that i don't help her yet....
I made the hard decision to operate her when she was dead.... and she was full with very hard bullits..... so sad for her.... but i really didnt know what to do.....

she had the balls in her body for a long time,but the last week they grow double!!!

i had sent some piv\ctures to a friend,who is almost a vet... (study) he told me it is much to late to make a good operation to save her.... and that it cost a lot of money,while the chance was very big that she didn't make it good..... after the operation....

for now ive learn,that when i have this another time,i have to handle very quick,because this is very sad,for her.... and for my beautifull collection....

[Lori P]

I think you had a unique problem there, Kuno, and no-one could really tell you what to do. This is not something seen very often, unless I'm wrong. So you could not have possibly known how to help her. I think even the vets would have been guessing at how to treat her, and like your friend said, she easily could have died in surgery.

You said she was still moving and eating, right, so hopefully she was not in much pain and her body systems just shut down... and she passed peacefully. Don't blame yourself...

[anji1971]

I read a story once about a Canadian collector who had a snake with the same problem. They operated but it was not successful. Apparently it is a pretty rare thing, and the outcome is not usually good, so I don't know if there really was anything that could have been done. Just one of those sad things.........:(

[NikkiSixx]

Sorry for your loss, she was very pretty!!!!!