Hets?

[BUSHSNAKE]

every year in the U.S. i see all these gartersnakes that are "hets", like right now you can find het erythristic, het peach flame snow, het erythristic flame snow and het erythristic snow..."genetics guaranteed" and its all bull. I really wonder if gartersnake breeders have forgotten what het even means cuz in the gartersnake community it doesnt mean anything...but if someone calls a gartersnake "northern garter" people are all over it or if someone brings up hybrids your all over it but no one ever says anything about hets that arent hets being sold as hets and it been happening every year for a while now. Its sad.
I apologize if this comes off rude but its something that needs to stop.Have a good day.
Joe

[guidofatherof5]

I consider myself genetically challenged(knowledge about genetics, don't start with the jokes) so I wonder if you would explain your point of view on the subject.

[snakeman]

I consider myself genetically challenged(knowledge about genetics, don't start with the jokes) so I wonder if you would explain your point of view on the subject.

I don't get it either.maybe they know something we don't.

[snakeman]

I don't know how that quote got in there.

[Thamnophis_Collector]

I don't get that either because if I'm not mistaken erythristic is co dom so how could there be hets, and what's peach flame? It's either flame or it's not. Now that I'm starting to learn more I'm staying away from shady breeders. Just because its a very well known breeder doesn't mean they won't try to make a quick buck on someone new to garters. And It's a shame because it may be one of the main reasons garters aren't as popular in the hobby.

[Jeff B]

I have found by experience that it is just a lot easier for most persons to understand that if the one parent is erythristic and the other parent is snow, the babies are hets for those traits, so that's what I use now. Using het erythristic snow isn't technically perfectly accurate, but I after tiring from explaining genetics to most of my potential customers and most do not care to understand anyway, I caved into using the more commonly used nomenclature. Surprisingly, most customers do not have self-granted honorary PhDs in genetics like Joe Peck and Tom Dickerson.

[snakeman]

But anybody with a brain would know they are not hets.I guess it's easy to take advantage in the garter hobby being most a new to snakes.along with not feeding babies selling them six months old having never eaten.

[reptileparadise]

It is the same with people claiming het. snow... No, het amelanistic and het anery / melanistic....

[Jeff B]

But anybody with a brain would know they are not hets.I guess it's easy to take advantage in the garter hobby being most a new to snakes.along with not feeding babies selling them six months old having never eaten.

Thanks for making my point exactly Tom, anyone with a brain can figure it out, especially if you do a little research of your own and you can see pictures of the parents. Technically Tom they are actually probably heterogygous for many different alleles, but anybody with a brain can figure that out and I'm sure you already knew that didn't you TOM, since you know exactly how the erythristic works at the molecular level, right TOM. A little bit of knowledge is dangerous. You are like a little kid who talks smack about grow up issues, you don't even know what you are babbling about.
I have never sold not feeders or "taken advantage of selling non feeders". I don't need to, I could care less about the money or the business of the hobby. My snakes are all feeding heavy on cut nightcrawlers and/or cut pinkies before they leave my house. What would you know, you know anyway, fact-you have never bought a single garter snake from me. Fact-I bought one snake from you years ago and you sold it as a male and it was actually a female. Fact- Joe Peck has never bought one single snake from me either EVER! I bought what he called a peach flame het snow female from him years ago and then he tells me on a public forum that his peach flame albino daughter isn't a flame, what a moron. You guys really need to look in the mirror.

Both Joe and Tom allegedly self-proclaimed that "they got out of garters" and have "moved on to better things" and yet they are still here trolling around like trolls do. "I apologize if this comes across as rude", but I think someone needs to explain to them what "getting out" and "moving on" really means.

[Jeff B]

It is the same with people claiming het. snow... No, het amelanistic and het anery / melanistic....

Semantics. There isn't science behind those terms, this is the snake hobby kid.