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[Ameivaboy]

Everyone wants to avoid over collecting- even the collectors. If they wipe out where they collect, they have nothing to collect in the future. Hence these animals were collected after mating season. Any responsible collector does the same thing, and tries not to over collect in one area. This isnt good for them in the long run and they know this.

[MasSalvaje]

Everyone wants to avoid over collecting- even the collectors. If they wipe out where they collect, they have nothing to collect in the future. Hence these animals were collected after mating season. Any responsible collector does the same thing, and tries not to over collect in one area. This isnt good for them in the long run and they know this.

You are wrong about that as well. They are in it for the now money. Get it while you can, as fast as you can, and figure something else out later. If they really wanted to be in this longterm they would invest more in proper care techniques and facilities.

-Thomas

[Ameivaboy]

You are wrong about that as well. They are in it for the now money. Get it while you can, as fast as you can, and figure something else out later. If they really wanted to be in this longterm they would invest more in proper care techniques and facilities.

-Thomas

I am referring to professional collectors who do take concern to not over collect in areas. I know this because I know a few collectors.

[ConcinusMan]

I am referring to professional collectors who do take concern to not over collect in areas. I know this because I know a few collectors.

Without laws in place to stop them, there are dozens of uncaring unscrupulous collectors for every one collector that takes care.

[Ameivaboy]

Without laws in place to stop them, there are dozens of uncaring unscrupulous collectors for every one collector that takes care.

I dont know about dozens, but sure, of course there is irresponsible collectors who dont abide by bag limits and other regulations. They should most certainly be stopped. There irresponsible people in every part of society.

As for the company in question selling the wild caught animals- this company did not collect them themselves.

In fact I wouldnt be surprised at all if all those animals came from several different collectors.

anyways, I'm done with this thread. It's like an evolutionary biologist arguing with a priest over the validity of religion.... pointless.

Cheers!

[Stefan-A]

I am referring to professional collectors who do take concern to not over collect in areas. I know this because I know a few collectors.

Then we come to another problem with collecting (or hunting, fishing or any other intentional removal of wildlife) and that's how to determine what is sustainable. When it comes to some game animals, people are actually out there counting individuals and studying population trends every season, while people are starting to do similar things with fish. But it's very likely that nothing of the sort is done with herps and without that information, it's unfortunately quite impossible to say whether or not the professional collectors do in fact manage to avoid over-collecting. It's not as simple as only collecting where animals seem plentiful, they can for example be plentiful but in a steep decline.