ID Please ASAP?

[Natrix]

First post, the albino is a checkered garter. This last pic looks like a radix to me. The pic where the normal snake is wrapped around your hand is who-knows-what. Now you say you just want to throw them in together. Well, if they have babies, it's no wonder why there's so much confusion.

Firstly, Both animals are meant to be male. So there is no chance of breeding. Secondly, that isn't me in the picture. I don't collect it until tomorrow. I have been told that it is a male T marcianus - Chequered Garter. It is I believe about 4yrs old but unsure. As I have just said in my previous post If I can't get a positive ID then it will not be going into my intended breeding program. The Albino however will be.

[ConcinusMan]

I'd much prefer a healthy WC specimen of unquestionable origin. But we brits don't have luxury, we have no choice but to use CB specimens.

Yeah, I know. Quite the dilemma, but to confuse matters, you also get plenty of WC snakes imported but misidentified and/or misrepresented as CB.

Firstly, Both animals are meant to be male.

And both supposedly checkered garters. If you can't be sure of the species, how do you expect to be sure of the sexes?

I would say you don't have much of a choice but to take the breeders word for it on both matters. It's very difficult to tell from the few pictures posted here, from across the Atlantic Ocean. In some pics I'll swear it's a checkered, in others, a radix. My suggestion is to get the snake in hand and make all the comparisons you can and draw your own conclusion or post better pictures after you have it and then run it across us (the forum) again. I'm certain we can at least confirm the sex, if not sex and species, with better pictures. I'm very interested to see the underside of this normal colored snake. That's one more piece of the puzzle that we are missing.

[Natrix]

Yeah, I know. Quite the dilemma, but to confuse matters, you also get plenty of WC snakes imported but misidentified and/or misrepresented as CB.



And both supposedly checkered garters. If you can't be sure of the species, how do you expect to be sure of the sexes?

I would say you don't have much of a choice but to take the breeders word for it on both matters. It's very difficult to tell from the few pictures posted here, from across the Atlantic Ocean. In some pics I'll swear it's a checkered, in others, a radix. My suggestion is to get the snake in hand and make all the comparisons you can and draw your own conclusion or post better pictures after you have it and then run it across us (the forum) again. I'm certain we can at least confirm the sex, if not sex and species, with better pictures. I'm very interested to see the underside of this normal colored snake. That's one more piece of the puzzle that we are missing.

I will do my very best to please and provide clearer pic. It may be difficult as I live on my own, but the again, us falconers are pretty good when it comes to doing things one handed!