First breedings of 2013

[ConcinusMan]

So basically all the snakes will carry the gene for melanism while only half with carry it for pied.

Not really.

"Second (pairing) is a female melanistic eastern that I paired with a het pied"

All offspring would be "100% het melanistic". But, even if the pied was definitely a het(100% het), all babies would have only a 50% chance of also being het pied. They could ALL be het, or none. It's just that the odds would be 50%. So, babies from this pair would be normal looking, but they would all be "100% het melanistic, 50% het pied". The 50% and 100% doesn't refer to how many of them are het. It only indicates the chances than any one of them is het for melanistic and pied, respectively.

Since you know that one parent is melanistic, the odds of the babies being het for that trait is 100%. But even IF the other parent is a confirmed het, any one of the babies would still only have a 50% chance of being het for pied. They all could be, just one or two, half, or none of them. It's not that half would be het for pied. It's that they would have a 50% chance of being het.

It was my understanding that the trait has been proven to be genetic, and recessive if it's from the same line as Scott's.

[twgrosmick]

Not really.

"Second (pairing) is a female melanistic eastern that I paired with a het pied"

All offspring would be "100% het melanistic". But, even if the pied was definitely a het(100% het), all babies would have only a 50% chance of also being het pied. They could ALL be het, or none. It's just that the odds would be 50%. So, babies from this pair would be normal looking, but they would all be "100% het melanistic, 50% het pied". The 50% and 100% doesn't refer to how many of them are het. It only indicates the chances than any one of them is het for melanistic and pied, respectively.

Since you know that one parent is melanistic, the odds of the babies being het for that trait is 100%. But even IF the other parent is a confirmed het, any one of the babies would still only have a 50% chance of being het for pied. They all could be, just one or two, half, or none of them. It's not that half would be het for pied. It's that they would have a 50% chance of being het.

It was my understanding that the trait has been proven to be genetic, and recessive if it's from the same line as Scott's.

Agreed Richard but for simplicity sake about half will carry the gene and half won't. Scott believes the pied to be recessive but no pieds have been produced from het to het breedings as of now.

[ConcinusMan]

Mine will be coming out on February 1st (date still undecided)

I'm thinking around the same time for my first ones out.

It was my understanding that the good looking pied in the photo with the dollar bill (the one with lots of white) produced normal looking offspring and died.

Scott sounds awfully sure that he will have pieds for sale. Not sure what that means. It's a bit of mystery to me. Don't know if he has offspring from that high white one and has proven they produce pieds, or if his line is from the crappy looking pied on his website, or what. I'm not sure how he comes to the conclusion that it is recessive, AND is sure he will have them available if none have been produced from hets. Doesn't make any sense to me. He seems to indicate that he's proven it to be recessive. You can't do that unless you produce pieds from hets.

Not sure what he's breeding. The babies from that high-white one were perfectly normal and still unproven to be a genetic trait. Those normal babies went for high dollar in spite of it not being a proven genetic trait.

Then I see a pied on his website with barely any white at all and he says he's going to have pieds. How can he know if it hasn't been proven out yet? Or is this just going to be another batch of normals that go for $600 unproven? I thought that already happened. I thought this was going to be the year for CB pieds, not normals that "might be" hets. So, it's proven or it isn't. Which is it?

Scott believes the pied to be recessive but no pieds have been produced from het to het breedings as of now.

Well why is that? What do you mean "believes" ? Based on what? The fact that the first gen offspring look perfectly normal?

Just trying to understand what's going on. Sounds fishy.