Scaless eastern garter

[SD Reptiles]

Maybe good that the snake died...
Because otherwise thamnophis is going to be so ****ed up like ballpythons and cornsnakes...
Just my opinion

[BLUESIRTALIS]

What's wrong with ball pythons and corn snakes? They both have a very strong hobby and market! I only keep and breed thamnophis and natrix at the moment, but I have a passion for all snakes and I agree that ball python and cornsnake breeders go a little crazy naming some of there stuff, but overall I see a lot of very nice healthy animals! My only concern with corns is all the hybrid stuff floating around like turbos, jungles, and the ratsnake/corn crosses! I see thamnophis becoming more popular in the future because let's face it garters are the best kept secret! I don't know if they will ever be as popular as corns and ball pythons though because people tend to be scared of the smaller babies!

Maybe good that the snake died...
Because otherwise thamnophis is going to be so ****ed up like ballpythons and cornsnakes...
Just my opinion

[Stefan-A]

What's wrong with ball pythons and corn snakes? They both have a very strong hobby and market! I only keep and breed thamnophis and natrix at the moment, but I have a passion for all snakes and I agree that ball python and cornsnake breeders go a little crazy naming some of there stuff, but overall I see a lot of very nice healthy animals! My only concern with corns is all the hybrid stuff floating around like turbos, jungles, and the ratsnake/corn crosses! I see thamnophis becoming more popular in the future because let's face it garters are the best kept secret! I don't know if they will ever be as popular as corns and ball pythons though because people tend to be scared of the smaller babies!

I'm convinced that they're both great snakes, as long as you stop breeding them when you start getting bug eyes, neurological disorders, missing pieces or inability to hatch, instead of ramping it up.
Obviously I'm not a fan of hybrids, either.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

That poor snake has a severe case of IBD!

I'm convinced that they're both great snakes, as long as you stop breeding them when you start getting bug eyes, neurological disorders, missing pieces or inability to hatch, instead of ramping it up.
Obviously I'm not a fan of hybrids, either.

[Stefan-A]

That poor snake has a severe case of IBD!

Not according to the uploader. That should be the infamous spider wobble.

[ConcinusMan]

That poor snake has a severe case of IBD!

It's the morph. They all do that.

are we gonna see het scaleless now?? there was a picture of a scaleless eastern garter in reptiles magazine back in the day so its not the first.

Definitely not the first. In fact, one of the first scaleless snakes ever found in the wild was an eastern garter.

are we gonna see het scaleless now??

Hahaha Joe. Not if it's congenital like I think it is. I was thinking that the piebald was the same situation but I read somewhere that the "bald" spots on some snakes don't develop until later. Something to do with the pigment cells dying off over time. Same thing that is going on with truly leucistic snakes. In one experiment they implanted pigment cells in a lucy. Whatever is wrong with them causes all the pigment cells to die. The skin can't keep them alive. It's different than amelanism because in those, the cells are there, they just don't synthesize melanin properly. Instead of selling off the "het piebald" babies it might be worth while to hold on to them and see if they don't develop "bald" spots later in life. It's plausible. Then again, the original could have just been a congenital defect and as such, not inheritable.

I would tend to think that if this scaleless thing was inheritable, one or more would have popped up before now. I would just breed those same two snakes again and see if it happens again. I've had a heck of a time trying to get anery concinnus' that are born that way. Now that I've finally done it, I'm going to see to it that I pair up those same 2 parents again. It just might take both of their genes to make it happen. I would do the same in this situation. Pair up the same two snakes.

[BUSHSNAKE]

What's wrong with ball pythons and corn snakes? They both have a very strong hobby and market! I only keep and breed thamnophis and natrix at the moment, but I have a passion for all snakes and I agree that ball python and cornsnake breeders go a little crazy naming some of there stuff, but overall I see a lot of very nice healthy animals! My only concern with corns is all the hybrid stuff floating around like turbos, jungles, and the ratsnake/corn crosses! I see thamnophis becoming more popular in the future because let's face it garters are the best kept secret! I don't know if they will ever be as popular as corns and ball pythons though because people tend to be scared of the smaller babies!

i just picked up a sunkissed and a motley sunkissed corn, theyre awesome...the motley sunkissed is on fire hes so bright

[ConcinusMan]

i just picked up a sunkissed and a motley sunkissed corn, theyre awesome...the motley sunkissed is on fire hes so bright

I'm holding out to get some babies from that jaw-dropping okeetee that shannon has, or at least something comparable. I have an empty 4ft tank for that. I haven't seen very many corn morphs that are appealing to me and I want one that I know hasn't been polluted with other rat snakes. I just find some of the pure, WT corns so much more appealing than any of the morphs. Also wouldn't mind having a leucistic rat snake.

Garters are always going to be my favorite and there's more I want to get but I just want something different for a change. Willing to hold out and take my time getting one though. If I have to wait for shannon to pip a clutch from that okeetee pair it will be worth the wait.

[BUSHSNAKE]

Maybe good that the snake died...
Because otherwise thamnophis is going to be so ****ed up like ballpythons and cornsnakes...
Just my opinion

i dont think you have to worry about that, not many people take garter snakes seriously

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Agreed! I hope this changes in the future though!

i dont think you have to worry about that, not many people take garter snakes seriously