I know, I just feel it shouldn't be necessary to out-cross in the first place. I know the morph market for all species is on a desperate charge but it would be nice to see some things properly established in the hobby before they get comboed out of recognition. It seems kind of pointless to me considering the 'Flame' phenotype has been established for a long time and plain leucistics never seem to have been established properly (certainly in Europe, possibly not in the US, but I doubt it because all I ever seem to see is the flame/leucy combo, unless it's plain leucies in breeder's collections .... being paired to flames).