Hets?

[reptileparadise]

It is the same with people claiming het. snow... No, het amelanistic and het anery / melanistic....

[Jeff B]

It is the same with people claiming het. snow... No, het amelanistic and het anery / melanistic....

Semantics. There isn't science behind those terms, this is the snake hobby kid.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I got a strange one for you. I had a little tan eastern that was born normal and was told it could color up a erythristic and that it was 100% het snow (aka dbl het melanistic and albino combo). It was the result of a ery/flame bred by a snow female. As he started to grow he began to color up and is now an ery/flame which i bred this year to 2 wc females and both litters had visual flames in them. I thought this was strange considering he was not born a visual flame at birth. This may change the way we look at flames because that means that some of the normals could color up to flames. Has anyone ever heard of this before?

[Jeff B]

I got a strange one for you. I had a little tan eastern that was born normal and was told it could color up a erythristic and that it was 100% het snow (aka dbl het melanistic and albino combo). It was the result of a ery/flame bred by a snow female. As he started to grow he began to color up and is now an ery/flame which i bred this year to 2 wc females and both litters had visual flames in them. I thought this was strange considering he was not born a visual flame at birth. This may change the way we look at flames because that means that some of the normals could color up to flames. Has anyone ever heard of this before?

Yes that is exactly how it works. Some color up over the first year or two more than others and some at different rates as well. We can't predict how that will pan out, dispite ridiculous claims that I have seen from both Joe and Tom that if it doesn't have color when its born it never will.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I always thought that flames had to be somewhat visual at birth so it threw me for a loop.

yes that is exactly how it works. Some color up over the first year or two more than others and some at different rates as well. We can't predict how that will pan out, dispite ridiculous claims that i have seen from both joe and tom that if it doesn't have color when its born it never will.

[Thamnophis_Collector]

I got a strange one for you. I had a little tan eastern that was born normal and was told it could color up a erythristic and that it was 100% het snow (aka dbl het melanistic and albino combo). It was the result of a ery/flame bred by a snow female. As he started to grow he began to color up and is now an ery/flame which i bred this year to 2 wc females and both litters had visual flames in them. I thught this was strangeconsidering he was not born a visual flame at birth. This may change the way we look at flames becthat means that some of the normals could color up to flames. Has anyone ever heard of this before?

You may be on to something, but if i had a similar litter I would sell the ones with no red as normals 100% het snow and just let them know its from an ery/flame x snow breeding. Would definitely not call them erythristic or flame hets.

[Jeff B]

You may be on to something, but if i had a similar litter I would sell the ones with no red as normals 100% het snow and just let them know its from an ery/flame x snow breeding. Would definitely not call them erythristic or flame hets.

That is exactly how I have always sold them. Some will color up more than others though. I mean heck it's not like anybody makes money on garters. They sell so cheap it's sad for how much work it is.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Agreed!

You may be on to something, but if i had a similar litter I would sell the ones with no red as normals 100% het snow and just let them know its from an ery/flame x snow breeding. Would definitely not call them erythristic or flame hets.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I see what you're saying, but everybody in the whole reptile hobby knows that snow is a combo morph and uses het snow instead of saying het melanistic and het albino so when bred to together you will get albinos, melanistics/anery, snows, or normal possible hets. It just makes it alot shorter and easier, but it still isn't misleading though because when bred together you will get snows if the parents are het for both traits.

it is the same with people claiming het. Snow... No, het amelanistic and het anery / melanistic....

[reptileparadise]

I see what you're saying, but everybody in the whole reptile hobby knows that snow is a combo morph and uses het snow instead of saying het melanistic and het albino so when bred to together you will get albinos, melanistics/anery, snows, or normal possible hets. It just makes it alot shorter and easier, but it still isn't misleading though because when bred together you will get snows if the parents are het for both traits.

You would suspect that, but people are selling animals as het albino 'trait 1', het albino 'trait 2', het anery, het snow 'trait one' and het snow 'trait 2'... They are making up extra hets to make things look more important.

I just wish everybody in the reptile hobby had a brain.........