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    Re: 100%

    when i did my pairing of double het normals i got more albinos than anything and only one anery lol more than half were albino few snows 3 normal and 1 anery theres alot of variation so i only go by what morphs willl come out lol i dont really worry too much about percentage until they are born

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    Re: 100%

    Actually the percentages can vary and idk if it's 25% or 12.5% of the possible production.
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    Re: 100%

    you can do the same pairing every year and get different results each time ahaha the thing that dont change is morphs produced

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    Re: 100%

    Tommy love that you added that link for the PS Caculator, I'll get to reading that and try to wrap my brain around that. Does anyone know is there also an existing chart where one can go that tells you what the genes are for garter morphs? Like what does a straight normal red radix look like? Then what would it looke like if it were het for albino or axanthic? What if it were normal but dbl het for both albino type?

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    Re: 100%

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan72 View Post
    Tommy love that you added that link for the PS Caculator, I'll get to reading that and try to wrap my brain around that. Does anyone know is there also an existing chart where one can go that tells you what the genes are for garter morphs? Like what does a straight normal red radix look like? Then what would it looke like if it were het for albino or axanthic? What if it were normal but dbl het for both albino type?
    in my experience hets look no different than normals they typically look like one parent or the other. the most detailed description ive read on garters is on jeffs site but i have a book on genetics i refer to its called "genetics for herpers" by charles pritzel

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    Re: 100%

    forgot to add that if the parent is a morph like a snow 0r albino the pattern/coloration will look like the gene pool it descended from lol garters have a variety of polymorhism so in most cases you will never be able to tell visually if a snake is het or not for a recessive trait cause all your seeing is the wild type gene expressed

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    Re: 100%

    Quote Originally Posted by Tommytradix View Post
    you can do the same pairing every year and get different results each time ahaha the thing that dont change is morphs produced
    That depends on what you are pairing up first. Then the odds gods come into play and put their 0.02 cents in. Thirdly, genetics is not a absolute science and there are always unknown variables like retained sperm, any genetic het variables.
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    Re: 100%

    Quote Originally Posted by Tommytradix View Post
    forgot to add that if the parent is a morph like a snow 0r albino the pattern/coloration will look like the gene pool it descended from lol garters have a variety of polymorhism so in most cases you will never be able to tell visually if a snake is het or not for a recessive trait cause all your seeing is the wild type gene expressed
    You will be able to see subtle differences in some offspring. There may be a different coloration shade like a lighter phase or you may see a reduced pattern in some that can tip you off that the animal may be het for another mutant gene. However , mostly het genes have to be proved out.
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    Re: 100%

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Clark View Post
    That depends on what you are pairing up first. Then the odds gods come into play and put their 0.02 cents in. Thirdly, genetics is not a absolute science and there are always unknown variables like retained sperm, any genetic het variables.
    retained sperm has nothing to do with genetics lol if you only pair one female with the same male every time

    and in all my pairings i have never been able to tell if any snake was het or normal the mutant gene is not expressed in hets which is why it is a het and not the morph
    if you breed 2 dark radix together that are het albino the normals will still be dark and albino look like albinos only variations ive seen is pattern

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    Re: 100%

    Tommy I know hets look normal, I should have used another word, what I was asking is that in order to use the Punnet Square Calculator you have to have something to plug into the square and what do examples of the genes that the animal carry look like? Like Jeff on his page when he used an albino as an example it was represented as aa, where as a het normal type was Aa, does everyone use these two or he just made them up? Like for the square could an axanthic be represented as xx, where a het normal (for axanthic) be Ax? A dbl het normal type for albino and axanthic be AaAx? Or like you pointed out think of a snow as being a dbl het, for anery and albino, so in the square what does that look like? AaAan, the Aa being het albino gene the Aan being the one for anery? That is what my question was about, is there a chart somewhere that is established to use for the PS Caculator for the different morphs in radix or eastern or whatever or do people just make up their own system as long as you know what you are representing. Was that confusing?

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