What locality of garter snake??

[BUSHSNAKE]

that could very well be a redsided garter...with no red, yeah they come like that too.

[Albert Clark]

that could very well be a redsided garter...with no red, yeah they come like that too.

So would you say its a het, or just a plain red sided that may or may not show red as he ages? Maybe op can ask to see the pictures of the parents? No, scratch that.

[BUSHSNAKE]

So would you say its a het, or just a plain red sided that may or may not show red as he ages? Maybe op can ask to see the pictures of the parents? No, scratch that.

just a plain red sided, red sided garters don't really gain any red coloration as they grow so it will look like that forever lol

[Albert Clark]

just a plain red sided, red sided garters don't really gain any red coloration as they grow so it will look like that forever lol

Which one? Parieatalis ?

[Albert Clark]

Thanks

[BUSHSNAKE]

Which one? Parieatalis ?

yeah parietalis, every subspecies of sirtalis west of the Mississippi river is red sided and ive had them all. I personally never thought any gain red as they grow, how they look as babies is how they look as adults that's just my opinion

[Jeff B]

yeah parietalis, every subspecies of sirtalis west of the Mississippi river is red sided and ive had them all. I personally never thought any gain red as they grow, how they look as babies is how they look as adults that's just my opinion

I would agree, red sided do not gain color as they grow. Not to be confused with the way erythristic eastern do.
Also sometimes when parietalis are really thin like that snake and the skin is not stretched, the red squares are hidden in the dark scales as they are compressed. I have caught thin wild parietals that didn't appear to have any red at first glance, but after they swallow half a dozen night crawlers and reinflate the red shows.

[BUSHSNAKE]

I would agree, red sided do not gain color as they grow. Not to be confused with the way erythristic eastern do.
Also sometimes when parietalis are really thin like that snake and the skin is not stretched, the red squares are hidden in the dark scales as they are compressed. I have caught thin wild parietals that didn't appear to have any red at first glance, but after they swallow half a dozen night crawlers and reinflate the red shows.

very true Jeff

[BUSHSNAKE]

yeah parietalis, every subspecies of sirtalis west of the Mississippi river is red sided and ive had them all. I personally never thought any gain red as they grow, how they look as babies is how they look as adults that's just my opinion

I misspoke, texas garters have no red and theyre west of the Mississippi. lol

[Jeff B]

I think it is safe to say that the snake sold was misrepresented as the picture is of a neon blue california red-sided, T. sirtalis infernalis and the snake purchased is not. Like I said it is hard to say if that was just and ignorant mistake, thinking that "a red-sided is a red-sided"