Discussing "Co-Allelic" recessives in T.Radix

[AntTheDestroyer]

In my opinion the black and white axanthic must be axanthic as all the wild radix I have seen have some form of yellow in them, whether it be true yellow, orange, green, or tan. It also seems to me that the animal is also anerytheristic as it is absent of any browns. An animal is either axanthic/anerytheristic or not. Just because a line produces an animal with red, by definition this animal is not anerytheristic, does not mean it is not an anerytheristic line as long as it produces some anery. You are confusing terms that are used describe a phenotype with the genes that cause it. There may be a number of allelic combinations that cause any morph.

[Taso]

You are confusing terms that are used describe a phenotype with the genes that cause it. There may be a number of allelic combinations that cause any morph.

This is true.

I need to get my hands on a DNA reader, amazon.com might have one.
Until then, all we have to judge is phenotypes and breeding results attempting to explain genotypes. That's the fun part though!

[AntTheDestroyer]

This is true.

I need to get my hands on a DNA reader, amazon.com might have one.
Until then, all we have to judge is phenotypes and breeding results attempting to explain genotypes. That's the fun part though!

You are right and this is how the industry functions. The use of axanthic and anertheristic just seems more specific in the garter snake community, when in actuality if a snake is missing yellow where there should be yellow it is axanthic and the same for red and anerytherism. Attaching a phenotypic description to a genetic mutation is confusing because they may not be the same in two snakes lacking that pigment. I know BUSHSNAKE would disagree but I think there should be more specific names put on some of these lines to highlight their differences. I don't know that we need to dwell on the complex genetics of the whole things as that would be time consuming and expensive, but I just think there needs to be more clarity to what these terms actually mean.

[Taso]

I did some squares. I would like some feedback!
There are abbreviations for Axanthic: Ax, and Anerythristic: An.
This is only based on the black/blue morphs, no idea for the black/white yet. And I'm sure it doesn't include everything we know so far, but hopefully it makes sense.
Soon I'll add albino to the mix.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...=0&single=true

I don't claim to know everything. So, opinions are always welcome.

[BUSHSNAKE]

You are right and this is how the industry functions. The use of axanthic and anertheristic just seems more specific in the garter snake community, when in actuality if a snake is missing yellow where there should be yellow it is axanthic and the same for red and anerytherism. Attaching a phenotypic description to a genetic mutation is confusing because they may not be the same in two snakes lacking that pigment. I know BUSHSNAKE would disagree but I think there should be more specific names put on some of these lines to highlight their differences. I don't know that we need to dwell on the complex genetics of the whole things as that would be time consuming and expensive, but I just think there needs to be more clarity to what these terms actually mean.

I have a pretty good grasp on what im talking about and im sharing that with others. that's what we are here for

[BUSHSNAKE]

You are right and this is how the industry functions. The use of axanthic and anertheristic just seems more specific in the garter snake community, when in actuality if a snake is missing yellow where there should be yellow it is axanthic and the same for red and anerytherism. Attaching a phenotypic description to a genetic mutation is confusing because they may not be the same in two snakes lacking that pigment. I know BUSHSNAKE would disagree but I think there should be more specific names put on some of these lines to highlight their differences. I don't know that we need to dwell on the complex genetics of the whole things as that would be time consuming and expensive, but I just think there needs to be more clarity to what these terms actually mean.

you seem to think my passion is ignorance...ITS NOT

[AntTheDestroyer]

I have a pretty good grasp on what im talking about and im sharing that with others. that's what we are here for

you seem to think my passion is ignorance...ITS NOT

I didn't mean to imply any such thing. Based on conversations we've had previously I thought you wouldn't agree with me about naming the lines.