Stefan's garters

[GarterGuy]

I think I read somewhere that the "red phase" T.s.pickeringi are actually an integrade between pickeringi and concinnus. Anyone else here of this??

Oh and to the subject, the tetrataenia is looking really good Stephan.

[adamanteus]

I think I read somewhere that the "red phase" T.s.pickeringi are actually an integrade between pickeringi and concinnus. Anyone else here of this??

I hadn't heard that, Roy. The grand-parents of mine were wild caught on Vancouver Island, which is outside the concinnus range, I believe. The pattern is identical to that of the blue pickeringi, only in red and yellow, rather than blue. If there is any intergradation, I would suspect it more likely to involve fitchi. I'd be interested to hear more though, if you could remember where you read that.

[ssssnakeluvr]

I hadn't heard that, Roy. The grand-parents of mine were wild caught on Vancouver Island, which is outside the concinnus range, I believe. The pattern is identical to that of the blue pickeringi, only in red and yellow, rather than blue. If there is any intergradation, I would suspect it more likely to involve fitchi. I'd be interested to hear more though, if you could remember where you read that.

never heard of it being an intergrade....until these blue pickeringi showed up, probably all pics I had seen of pickeeringi had red on them....oh, and I want both!!!!!

[GarterGuy]

Ok, fianlly remembered to check and see where I had heard of the T.s.concinnus X T.s.pickeringi integrade. Here's a link to it. Thamnophis sirtalis pickeringii - Puget Sound Gartersnake
Check the last snakes listed on the pics....they're described as an integrade between concinnus and pickeringi.