Revolutionary new food item! :D

[GartersRock]

Evolution mixes two things together, one real, one imaginary. Variation is the real part. The types of bird beaks, the colors of moths, leg sizes, etc. are variation. Each type and length of beak a finch can have is already in the gene pool for finches. I have always agreed that there is variation within species. But there are strict limits to variation that are never crossed, something every breeder of animals or plants is aware of. Evolutionists want you to think that changes continue, merging gradually into new kinds of creatures. This is where the imaginary part of the theory of evolution comes in. It says that new information is added to the gene pool by mutation and natural selection to create frogs from fish, reptiles from frogs, and mammals from reptiles, to name a few. Evolutionists tell us we cannot see evolution taking place because it happens too slowly. A human generation takes about 20 years from birth to parenthood. They say it took tens of thousands of generations to form man from a common ancestor with the ape, from populations of only hundreds or thousands. We do not have these problems with bacteria. A generation of bacteria grows in a matter of hours. There are more bacteria in the world than there are grains of sand on all of the beaches of the world (and many grains of sand are covered with bacteria). They exist in just about any environment: heat, cold, dry, wet, high pressure, low pressure, small groups, large colonies, isolated, much food, little food, much oxygen, no oxygen, in toxic chemicals, etc. There is much variation in bacteria. There are many mutations (in fact, evolutionists say that smaller organisms have a faster mutation rate than larger ones). But they never turn into anything new. They always remain bacteria. Fruit flies are much more complex than the already complex single-cell bacteria. Scientists like to study them because a generation takes only 9 days. In the lab, fruit flies are studied under every conceivable condition. There is much variation in fruit flies. There are many mutations. But they never turn into anything new. They always remain fruit flies. Many years of study of countless generations of bacteria and fruit flies all over the world shows that evolution is not happening today.
This is how the imaginary part is supposed to happen: On rare occasions a mutation in DNA improves a creature's ability to survive, so it is more likely to reproduce (natural selection). That is evolution's only tool for making new creatures. It might even work if it took just one gene to make and control one part. But parts of living creatures are constructed of intricate components with connections that all need to be in place for the thing to work, controlled by many genes that have to act in the proper sequence. Natural selection would not choose parts that did not have all their components existing, in place, connected, and regulated because the parts would not work. Thus all the right mutations (and none of the destructive ones) must happen at the same time by pure chance. That is physically impossible.

[Stefan-A]

But there are strict limits to variation that are never crossed,

Care to elaborate on what these "strict limits" are and how they are enforced?

something every breeder of animals or plants is aware of.

That would be the fact that selective breeding has absolutely nothing to do with evolution.

Evolutionists want you to think that changes continue, merging gradually into new kinds of creatures. This is where the imaginary part of the theory of evolution comes in. It says that new information is added to the gene pool by mutation and natural selection to create frogs from fish, reptiles from frogs, and mammals from reptiles, to name a few. Evolutionists tell us we cannot see evolution taking place because it happens too slowly.

Rubbish, we see it all the time. And then there's the evidence creationists are more than happy to ignore or just deny without even a basic understanding of genetics or biology in general.

They say it took tens of thousands of generations to form man from a common ancestor with the ape, from populations of only hundreds or thousands. We do not have these problems with bacteria.

What problems? The evidence for it is plentiful.

But they never turn into anything new.

Yeah, how many times do I need to tell you this? The change is gradual. Somebody obviously isn't listening.

Many years of study of countless generations of bacteria and fruit flies all over the world shows that evolution is not happening today.

Actually, that's the exact opposite of what scientific research is showing us. But please, keep ignoring the facts.

But parts of living creatures are constructed of intricate components

Less intricate than you might think. Our genetic code is a real mess, like a hard drive that desperately needs to be defragmented. We have genes that don't serve a purpose anymore, genes that never had a purpose, genes that work even if you flip them around and move them about, genes that have been deactivated.. In short, it's not a well-organized filing cabinet, it's more like a wall in a public bathroom.

[MoJo]

I may have missed part of the argument but bacteria are changing all the time. The fact that many bacteria become resistant to antibiotics show that.

Let's take an antibiotic that kills a bacteria by breaking down the cell wall of the bacteria. The bacteria don't become resistant to the antibiotic by saying to themselves "Hmm this antibiotic breaks are cell walls by doing abc, let's develop something in our genes that does not allow abc to work". The bacteria are not that smart. The reality is by chance some bacteria already had something in there genetic make up that did not allow their cell wall to be broken so they were the ones to survive and went on to reproduce/divide. So now you have more of that bacteria that are resistant to the antibiotic making the antibiotic useless for that bacteria. Other bacteria never by chance had that gene so they stay susceptible to the antibiotic. If this isn't natural selection or evolution at work I don't know what is. Just because the bacteria is still a bacteria does not mean evolution is not true. It evolved in a different way.

There are many other examples today that are available. Why do black people have more sickle cell disease than white people? It is because they lived in hot tropical climates where malaria was common. The abnormal red blood cell (sickle cell) did not allow for malarial infections to be successful i.e kill the human being. So people who carry the sickle cell gene on only one of their chromosomes had less chance of dying from malaria and going on to reproduce. These is called sickle cell trait and they have a smaller number of red blood cells that "sickle" and they do not die of sickle cell disease. It was evolutionarily beneficial to carry the sickle cell trait. That is no longer the case for the most part.

I will give you another possible example. I can wiggle my ears, as can my father and all three of my children. For the most part this is a useless behavior. Let's say that in the future someone decides they want to exterminate all Americans but believes that anyone who can wiggle their ears is somehow magical and should not be exterminated. Well then, my kids will survive to reproduce as will other ear wigglers and eventually a large portion of the population will be able to wiggle their ears. Pure chance that this silly hereditary trait was beneficial! But again showing "survival of the fittest".