You know what. I was going to type a detailed response. But this is going back and forth. It appears to me you are not listening. It appears to you I am not listening. Well I am listening. No need for sarcasim... I could very well say YOU are not listening for continuing to say the change is gradual. After years of constant arguing with people on many subjects.. Dogs, vaccines, evolution. Some changed their opinions, most didn't. I have learned after a few exchanges to let it go. Which is what I am gonna do. I have learned over the years the signs of those whose minds won't be changed by back and forth disscussions and refuse to waste my time.
(And NO this is not be "giving in". It is very hard for me to back off of a debate. But is something I have learned to do in situations where the debate isn't going anywhere).