Let's vent:What really ticks you off about the pet trade!

[adamanteus]

Absolutely! To acheive this you need to make the CB more attractive than the WC.... unfortunately people go off the price first. Can we pursuade the breeders to drop their prices? I doubt that.

[Bill]

Absolutely! To acheive this you need to make the CB more attractive than the WC.... unfortunately people go off the price first. Can we pursuade the breeders to drop their prices? I doubt that.

I don't think we need to drop our prices at all. What we need to do is educate people. Captive bred animals from reputable breeders are a far better bargain in the long run even at twice the price. The savings of just one vet visit more than off sets the extra cost and is a much more ethical way to purchase an animal. As long as people keep buying these wild caught animals that ultimitly come in from a large wholesale importer these abuses will continue and if the animal survives it will ultimitly end up costing twice the money

[infernalis]

I am going to chime in, but be careful, Wayne can sometimes be the king of rants.

James, It has been my intentions from the get go to produce quality snakes at very reasonable prices. (without chopping Scott's legs off doing so)

The best way to combat (I hate the example) Bob, would be to offer captive bred top quality Pugets, for the same price or less, and have lots of them to offer.

The best way to get a flame to everyone who wants a flame, breed as many as you possibly can, without crossing ethics boundaries doing it.

I have a lot more to add, just short on time... I'm sure this thread will stay around a while.

[Bill]

I am going to chime in, but be careful, Wayne can sometimes be the king of rants.

James, It has been my intentions from the get go to produce quality snakes at very reasonable prices. (without chopping Scott's legs off doing so)

The best way to combat (I hate the example) Bob, would be to offer captive bred top quality Pugets, for the same price or less, and have lots of them to offer.

The best way to get a flame to everyone who wants a flame, breed as many as you possibly can, without crossing ethics boundaries doing it.

I have a lot more to add, just short on time... I'm sure this thread will stay around a while.

Hey Wayne,LET"S VENT BROTHER!!!!

[infernalis]

Bill you say "Pet trade" so I will go to the very core of why I "dislike" large corporate pet trade.

Green Iguanas - The number of people who think they only get so big and live less than a year greatly exceeds the number of people who have even ever seen a healthy adult.

Large stores like Petco will import massive quantities of gathered iguanas, from the initial raping of nature to the pet store, as high as 90 percent have been known to perish before being sold. Of the remaining 10 percent, another 90 perish in the hands of incompetent owners. (sad numbers, very sad)

Monitor Lizards - see above, make it worse, there is the monitor trade... Sickening.

Unknown, unusual species - every day another unknown species gets offered on KS classifieds. MANY perish due to lack of understanding of the species. Why must 99 percent of the imported snakes die just because they are pretty?

Green

Personally, I would have a difficult time running a pet store, I'd have to screen everyone to sell them an animal

[sschind]

I getting ready to leave for a show so I don't have time to make any long comments. I will say this, yes, it does feel good to vent. Glad to meet you Bill and I will check out "this island earth" for some of my gecko wants

I'll write more later when I have time. Glad I haven't offended anyone. It does seem that we can all get along.

Oh yeah, anyone Racine Wisconsin area (between Chicago and Milwaukee closer to Milwaukee) today check out sewerfest at the south hills country club on frontage road off I94. Probably not many garters there (they are flighty, hard to feed and they musk all the time but there will be a nice selection of CBB only animals. Definately the best show in Wisconsin. Its no Tinley Park but then again vendor tables are only $30.00 and admission is only $5.00 so what do you expect.

Stop by at the Tropical Oasis table and say Hi. Ask for Steve

[Bill]

I getting ready to leave for a show so I don't have time to make any long comments. I will say this, yes, it does feel good to vent. Glad to meet you Bill and I will check out "this island earth" for some of my gecko wants

I'll write more later when I have time. Glad I haven't offended anyone. It does seem that we can all get along.

Oh yeah, anyone Racine Wisconsin area (between Chicago and Milwaukee closer to Milwaukee) today check out sewerfest at the south hills country club on frontage road off I94. Probably not many garters there (they are flighty, hard to feed and they musk all the time but there will be a nice selection of CBB only animals. Definately the best show in Wisconsin. Its no Tinley Park but then again vendor tables are only $30.00 and admission is only $5.00 so what do you expect.

Stop by at the Tropical Oasis table and say Hi. Ask for Steve

Sschind,How's it going? Glad you feel better. Sodo I, It was great to meet you. The gecko's are handled by my partner at another location. The number is 1-603-234-1296. Ask for john. Thanks! And the best of luck with your show!

[Bill]

Bill you say "Pet trade" so I will go to the very core of why I "dislike" large corporate pet trade.

Green Iguanas - The number of people who think they only get so big and live less than a year greatly exceeds the number of people who have even ever seen a healthy adult.

Large stores like Petco will import massive quantities of gathered iguanas, from the initial raping of nature to the pet store, as high as 90 percent have been known to perish before being sold. Of the remaining 10 percent, another 90 perish in the hands of incompetent owners. (sad numbers, very sad)

Monitor Lizards - see above, make it worse, there is the monitor trade... Sickening.

Unknown, unusual species - every day another unknown species gets offered on KS classifieds. MANY perish due to lack of understanding of the species. Why must 99 percent of the imported snakes die just because they are pretty?

Green

Personally, I would have a difficult time running a pet store, I'd have to screen everyone to sell them an animal

I agree with you,Wayne,the green iguana is a disaster! Here is a high maintenance animal that needs special care and equipment to proprely house. Can grow to 5 or 6 feet or more and yet it has some how replaced the baby red eared slider as the first pet reptile. It's as stupid as taking your driving test at the Indy 500. This is no joke. These business practices have not escaped the eyes of our law makers. Every year bills are brought before the Senate and the house by I'll informed law makers that preach to other less informed law maker and try to outlaw all retile importation. Take a look at the laws in your own states and you will find a rapidly growing list of prohibited reptiles.