A disturbing trend, really disturbing

[infernalis]

Well... I long ago posted on this thread, giving more details about the gravid girl that I had a year ago.

No one replied, because of the explosive comment from one member... then the thread has twice gone off topic...

oh well... <shrug>

Ask again Kitkat, I'll do my best

[KITKAT]

Ask again Kitkat, I'll do my best

Originally Posted by zooplan
Fair
but fairer if the offspring was fed twice or more times.
To take aberrant specimen could be worse, beacuse they might be the future of the population.
On the other hand are resessive alleles common within a genpool before they occur in phenotypes.
At this point we are back to the r and K-species, Stefan, but I can´t find the thread at the moment.
She is aberrant, but is like others in the area, so not the only one. AND, she would have been chopped to pieces with the neighbor's hoe if I had not rescued her, and would have met that end again if she returned to the site before the neighbor finished her pond.

Also, some of the babies ate right away, others took longer, and some were fed twice or more while I figured out which ones had the aberrant trait (develops with age).

At any rate, the purpose of my taking her was to save her life, and keep her out of harm's way until my neighbor finished replacing her pond liner. It just happened that she dropped her litter while that took place.

The four offspring, BTW, are my only WC garters. I don't normally take WC.

[infernalis]

Originally Posted by zooplan
Fair
but fairer if the offspring was fed twice or more times.
To take aberrant specimen could be worse, beacuse they might be the future of the population.
On the other hand are resessive alleles common within a genpool before they occur in phenotypes.
At this point we are back to the r and K-species, Stefan, but I can´t find the thread at the moment.
She is aberrant, but is like others in the area, so not the only one. AND, she would have been chopped to pieces with the neighbor's hoe if I had not rescued her, and would have met that end again if she returned to the site before the neighbor finished her pond.

Also, some of the babies ate right away, others took longer, and some were fed twice or more while I figured out which ones had the aberrant trait (develops with age).

At any rate, the purpose of my taking her was to save her life, and keep her out of harm's way until my neighbor finished replacing her pond liner. It just happened that she dropped her litter while that took place.

The four offspring, BTW, are my only WC garters. I don't normally take WC.

As I try to sort through this, I guess you are wondering if what you did was a good thing or not?

Kitkat, what you did deserves a medal. You saved that snake from certain doom, as well as saved the babies from the same fate.

That is far removed from someone just going out and targeting a gravid female to be collected for any reason

That would be a sucessful rescue in anyones eyes........

Well done, kudos to you and if similar circumstances should ever arise, DO IT AGAIN!!

[KITKAT]

As I try to sort through this, I guess you are wondering if what you did was a good thing or not?

Kitkat, what you did deserves a medal. You saved that snake from certain doom, as well as saved the babies from the same fate.

That is far removed from someone just going out and targeting a gravid female to be collected for any reason

That would be a sucessful rescue in anyones eyes........

Well done, kudos to you and if similar circumstances should ever arise, DO IT AGAIN!!

Well... I will probably and unfortunately have the opportunity again. My neighbor really hates snakes, and won't listen to me when I explain that if you have a goldfish pond with a waterfall full of cracks and crevices, you are DRAWING them.

And as for the rescue, I felt it was not a PURE rescue, since I did keep and still have four of the babies.

On the aberrant comment, I'll add that these are not albinos or anery, or anything like that. We just have a local gene pool that produces bright orange side stripes, and I have seen this in about 25% of the population, with another 25% having fainter orange or pink in their laterals... so perhaps not a true aberrant...

[ssssnakeluvr]

On the aberrant comment, I'll add that these are not albinos or anery, or anything like that. We just have a local gene pool that produces bright orange side stripes, and I have seen this in about 25% of the population, with another 25% having fainter orange or pink in their laterals... so perhaps not a true aberrant...

well, might not be aberrant, but not odd enough to stand out for predators....a lot of times in nature, the bright colors (like red) are a warning to others to leave them alone...could be something along that line....