I just realized...

[Loren]

Nice lists,
I'd like to list mine too. (garters and ribbons only)

I havent tried to sex them since I am not breeding them, even though I could give a good guess on nearly all of them. I do the know the sex of a few because they had babies in the past, either before or after I aquired them, or because they passed jelly beans.

Shannon, I would have you tied for species/subspecies if it werent for your "freaks"

0.0.1 California Red Sided - T. s. infernalis
0.0.1 Valley garter - T. s. fitchi
0.0.1 Coast Garter - T.e. terrestris
0.0.1 Mountain Garter - T. e. elegans
0.1.1 Northwestern Garter - T. ordinoides
0.0.1 Checkered Garter - T. marcianus
0.1.0 Sierra Garter - T. couchii
0.1.0 Mount Diablo Aquatic Garter - T. a. zaxanthus

0.2.6 Gulf Coast Ribbon - Thamnophis proximus orarius

I still want a Santa Cruz - T.a. atratus. Then that about does it for me(at least with native garters) due to regulations of what I can have and how many per species. Once I find that Reptile-loving Christian Reformed wife with a fishing license we can add a T. e. vagrans and T. a. hydrophilus to the listto complete the list of 11 varieties(out of 14 total) of native garters that arent protected. The s.f, giant, and 2- striped are protected.

[jitami]

I havent tried to sex them since I am not breeding them, even though I could give a good guess on nearly all of them. I do the know the sex of a few because they had babies in the past, either before or after I aquired them, or because they passed jelly beans.

Omg, am I ever blonde! The idea of getting hubby and maybe even the boys fishing licenses so we can all have our bag limit never even crossed my mind... sooooooo, silver vagrans may not be out of reach after all! Hmmmm... thanks for bringing that up Loren! Now to find you that license toting, bible thumping, drop dead gorgeous woman

[Loren]

Omg, am I ever blonde! The idea of getting hubby and maybe even the boys fishing licenses so we can all have our bag limit never even crossed my mind... sooooooo, silver vagrans may not be out of reach after all! Hmmmm... thanks for bringing that up Loren! Now to find you that license toting, bible thumping, drop dead gorgeous woman

Just remember, if you are to be really legal, the "extra snakes" will belong to those with the extra licenses. You might help care for them, but they "own" them.
In other words, my first wife didnt really want to take ownership of any extra snakes for my benefit, so it wouldnt have gone over so well with dfg if she denied owning any of them. The only reason I would want this would be for the few species of snakes that have a limit of 2, but have 3 subspecies (like wanderings- still want a vagrans myself- I mean I want someone else in my household to have one ).

[infernalis]

So you have to relinquish the snakes at divorce time

[jitami]

Just remember, if you are to be really legal, the "extra snakes" will belong to those with the extra licenses. You might help care for them, but they "own" them. In other words, my first wife didnt really want to take ownership of any extra snakes for my benefit, so it wouldnt have gone over so well with dfg if she denied owning any of them. The only reason I would want this would be for the few species of snakes that have a limit of 2, but have 3 subspecies (like wanderings- still want a vagrans myself- I mean I want someone else in my household to have one ).

Yep, Gotcha... thankfully none of my guys would object to "owning" them as long as I care for them Hubby actually wants to learn to fish(um, not sure what there is to learn) so it really would not be a stretch to add a vagrans or two No hurry, though... just something to think about