Bobs breeding other things

[Stefan-A]

Ah yes, but many T. ordinoides do not have the post-ocular stripe.... So what is really typical?

Steve

Not all members of the species need to have the postocular stripe to make it typical. It also seems that very few actually lack it completely, there's almost always enough of a stripe to identify the snake as an ordinoides.

[Steven@HumboldtHerps]

Not all members of the species need to have the postocular stripe to make it typical. It also seems that very few actually lack it completely, there's almost always enough of a stripe to identify the snake as an ordinoides.

Yes, you are right Stefan. I have been biased due to the fact that so many of the Northwesterns in my area come without the postocular stripe - usually those that have a fading dorsal stripe or virtually no dorsal stripe at all. Del Norte County is a hot spot for patternlessness.

I think I've posted these before.