Sea Otters: yet another slap in the face!

[Garter_Gertie]

Stefan, you're nitpicking again and not looking at things at face value.

Wikipedia - and I've not specific article in mind as I don't need one - is based on the premise anyone can post knowledge there. There are no restraints other than "This has not been quoted from a specific source," etc. The majority of what you use to back you up is from Wikipedia. And for me, that's not good enough. *I* could go post blather on there and John Doe would be quoting me in minutes.

Glad you've no problem as I don't either. I don't understand what you don't understand or what doesn't make sense to you.

I got news for you, in the America(s) it WAS universal to give thanks and only take what was needed. If you're speaking of a specific indiginous people, state them. But here, prior to and after all hunts/forages/harversting/etc. ceremonies were preformed. For a good hunt/forage/harvest/etc. and then to give thanks for was was gotten.

And this IS recorded history. As is the reference to Teddy Roosevelt. I live in MN where we have Ojibway and Dakota natives. They've much recorded history that I've been privy to. Not to mention photographs. There's recorded history from the early whites here - and how the sky would go dark with passenger pidgeons. Hundreds would be shot from the sky at once. It would take me hours, days, weeks to find the references as these are things I've learned over the years being with the people of MN, but I probably could do it.

Sometimes, Stefan, you need to take things at face value and believe. Not everything in this world is black or white.

[Stefan-A]

Stefan, you're nitpicking again and not looking at things at face value.

Wikipedia - and I've not specific article in mind as I don't need one - is based on the premise anyone can post knowledge there. There are no restraints other than "This has not been quoted from a specific source," etc. The majority of what you use to back you up is from Wikipedia. And for me, that's not good enough. *I* could go post blather on there and John Doe would be quoting me in minutes.

Like I said, I have no desire to defend the wiki principle and I'm not quoting anything from wikipedia, either, so I absolutely reject what you're saying about me using wikipedia to back me up. I posted a link to an article on the concept of the noble savage, which is something more people definitely should be aware of, although they don't necessarily have to read about it from wikipedia alone.

I got news for you, in the America(s) it WAS universal to give thanks and only take what was needed. If you're speaking of a specific indiginous people, state them. But here, prior to and after all hunts/forages/harversting/etc. ceremonies were preformed. For a good hunt/forage/harvest/etc. and then to give thanks for was was gotten.

The (pre)history of humans in the Americas go much further back than the 1490's, not to mention the rest of the world. Is it really necessary for me to point out the reason why it mattered to the discussion we were having?

Sometimes, Stefan, you need to take things at face value and believe. Not everything in this world is black or white.

Come on, that's exactly what you're saying here by telling me to take it at face value: That it really is white (or black). The whole idea I've been trying to get across here, is that it's not black or white and that the truth, as usual, probably lies somewhere in between.