New garter - I just couldn't help myself

[guidofatherof5]

That's a good looking girl you've got there Chris.

[chris-uk]

That's a good looking girl you've got there Chris.

No? The tail stays wide doesn't it? If this one is female, then every one they had in the shop was female, some of the others even more obviously. It's a good looking garter either way.

[guidofatherof5]

That's a good looking girl you've got there Chris.

No? The tail stays wide doesn't it? If this one is female, then every one they had in the shop was female, some of the others even more obviously. It's a good looking garter either way.

Most of my comment was just messing with you Chris but I'm leaning towards female. Just don't know.
It's one of those borderline calls.
You are right. No matter what it's a great looking snake.

[RedSidedSPR]

I

Need.

Room.

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ANYHOO he's awesome. That's how it was with my last one. Couldnt freaking help it

[chris-uk]

Whatever it is. There's some more new blood sat in my hallway John, if you ever need stud services.

I just wish some of the shops would challenge the naming - if I owned a shop in wouldn't deal with a supplier who didn't work with scientific names, if you know the scientific name you know it's not a "Northern Garter Snake". At the end of the day I think the shops just want garters on the shelf to cater for freaks like us (who won't buy a boa or python) and as a smaller snake to sell to people who look a the pythons and say "oooh, that's a bit big". I haven't heard of any shops that really care to supply garters, perhaps Coast to Coast is the closest but even there it seems to be a second or third line of sales.
Sod it, continental breeders are the way to go. Or you need to know the garter people who have breeding pairs.

[gregmonsta]

perhaps Coast to Coast is the closest but even there it seems to be a second or third line of sales.

.... they again don't care about IDs or the market ... they are part of my 'frustratation' list ... like to sell 'Northern garters' Texas ribbons' and WON'T take correction ... they know best as far as their point of contact on RFUK goes ... an exchange of PMs did nothing and neither did publicly causing a fuss on one of their threads.
As far as the market goes ... he'll happily tell Sjoerd that he can't sell garters in Britain to bash the price down and then sell these CB animals at less than accepted European breeder price. I know we all love a bargain ... but no wonder the British market is dead. Not many people will see the value in/'appreciate' the value in a snake they can pick up privately for £10-15 or, indeed, one that shops don't differenciate the price of CB/WC for.
Anyway ..... parietalis not 100% on sex but this is my male:

[EasternGirl]

Chris...beautiful snake...but I have to tell you...doesn't look like any easterns around here. Sorry mate. Easterns usually have more of a checkered pattern under the dorsal stripe...and the dorsal stripe is not so wide and bold. I know what that snake is...but I can't think right now...not a parietalis...I don't think it looks like that. Can I see another pic?

[EasternGirl]

I need to see a pic where I can see any pattern on the snake...

[EasternGirl]

I think the size is probably helping to confirm this isn't an eastern...my male was bigger than that by 18 mos...my female..I don't know her age..but I would imagine a female eastern of 18 mos would be at least 2 1/2 feet. My male was at least 2 feet by 18 mos. Of course I am always ready to stand corrected.

[chris-uk]

I think the size is probably helping to confirm this isn't an eastern...my male was bigger than that by 18 mos...my female..I don't know her age..but I would imagine a female eastern of 18 mos would be at least 2 1/2 feet. My male was at least 2 feet by 18 mos. Of course I am always ready to stand corrected.

At 65-70cm long, this little on is between 2 and 2.5 feet.