Escapee, recaught with baggage

[Stefan-A]

I don't see where killing them is in their best interest,

There are other, greater interests to consider. When animal welfare and nature conservation are in conflict, nature conservation must be recognized as more important. Yes, this is an issue of nature conservation.

I would definitely release them where I found the mother before that happens.

Don't do it. That's the absolutely worst thing you could do.

It was their fate that brought them into the world and

Forget about fate, there's no fate but what we make for ourselves.

if it was against the laws of nature for the breeds to mix then it wouldn't have happened.

The laws of nature do not say how things should be. Also, we're not talking about breeds, we are talking about species.

Im sure its happened many times by wild snakes crawling up into vehicles

That is absolutely no excuse for doing it deliberately.

How did morphs come to be if not by cross breeding.

By random genetic mutations becoming visible through inbreeding, not cross breeding.

Ive seen breeders advertise mixbreeds.

And they set a piss-poor example, and they generally do not release the offspring.

Why is it fine for them to produce them in their snakemills but not if happens completely naturally?

1. It's not fine for them to produce hybrids and 2. it hasn't happened completely naturally.

As far as using them as feeders I'll withhold my comment except to say I dont think posting them in the classifieds on this site would be a good idea due that possibility.

And how do you figure that? Apart from me, nobody here would be prepared to use them as feeders. And note: I'm half a world away.

I do appreciate your time taken to reply to my post though. Have a nice day.

Listen to sound advice. You might not like what you hear, but don't do anything as stupid as releasing those offspring.

[Tim C.]

There are other, greater interests to consider. When animal welfare and nature conservation are in conflict, nature conservation must be recognized as more important. Yes, this is an issue of nature conservation.


Don't do it. That's the absolutely worst thing you could do.


The laws of nature do not say how things should be. Also, we're not talking about breeds, we are talking about species.


That is absolutely no excuse for doing it deliberately.


By random genetic mutations becoming visible through inbreeding, not cross breeding.


And they set a piss-poor example, and they generally do not release the offspring.


1. It's not fine for them to produce hybrids and 2. it hasn't happened completely naturally.


And how do you figure that? Apart from me, nobody here would be prepared to use them as feeders. And note: I'm half a world away.


Listen to sound advice. You might not like what you hear, but don't do anything as stupid as releasing those offspring.

I agree with most the things you posted but with some of the answers you gave I think you may have misinterpreted what the situation is. From your comments I get the feeling you think my statements are different than they were. You need to read all the posts and not just the last few. I do appreciate your input, thanks

[joeyjoe9876]

a pet shop would probably not be the best place for these guys. once they leave your care you have no idea who they are going to, or how they will be cared for and treated.

[Tim C.]

a pet shop would probably not be the best place for these guys. once they leave your care you have no idea who they are going to, or how they will be cared for and treated.

Thanks for your input, If you know anyone interested in having an unusual normal and will do what is best for them I would be willing to sell them for a fair price to cover shipping and a little extra for my time involved thus far. If not my only option is the local pet store that can legally sell domestic reptiles. After all I cant release them. I plan on keeping one female and would consider trading the rest. I am interested in a radix and blue. (CB baby females only please, not interested in any more surprises)

[ProXimuS]

Selling them to a pet shop wouldn't be a good idea. You can try and post an ad on the For Sale/Trade/Adoption section of the forum. Just be sure to re-explain the situation, so any potential buyers will know what they're geting into.

[EasternGirl]

I agree with what the other members are saying. The babies do look like easterns from the pics...although it is hard to tell for sure. If they are hybrids, I would keep them...if you cannot care for all of them, I certainly understand...it is a huge responsibility. Advertise here on the forum to look for good homes for them. In my experience, most pet stores do not even know how to care for garters properly. Also, you could not guarantee the babies are going to good homes. Half the time people buy snakes for their children who know nothing about caring for snakes and the snakes sit in a dirty tank, unfed and dehydrated until they die. It's just not a good idea. Also...many garters don't make it out of the pet store because the pet store doesn't know how to care for them properly and they under or overheat them or try to feed them crickets. I'm sure you could find a forum member who would be willing to take them.

[twgrosmick]

It is a shame that when people aren't responsible enough to keep their own animals contained in the enclosure. Then when something like this happens they aren't responsible enough to prevent any further damage from being done. I may get criticized for this but I think euthanizing them is the best option is this scenario....

[Tim C.]

It is a shame that when people aren't responsible enough to keep their own animals contained in the enclosure. Then when something like this happens they aren't responsible enough to prevent any further damage from being done. I may get criticized for this but I think euthanizing them is the best option is this scenario....

I suppose you have never had an escapee, do you suggest I just keep it in a prison and never interact with it. I think its a shame when someone who doesnt know me beats around the bush to call me irresponsible. I appreciate everyone who has given their constructive two cents worth. Euthanizing has already been suggested, in the future please read all the posts before adding your wooden nickles worth.

[twgrosmick]

I suppose you have never had an escapee, do you suggest I just keep it in a prison and never interact with it. I think its a shame when someone who doesnt know me beats around the bush to call me irresponsible. I appreciate everyone who has given their constructive two cents worth. Euthanizing has already been suggested, in the future please read all the posts before adding your wooden nickles worth.

As a matter of fact I do interact with all my snakes on a daily basis. That being said I have over 40 snakes currently and have had hundreds of others in the past only having one escape at which time I made sure and searched all over until I found it that same day. Regardless of whether it was mentioned before I can still give my opinion. Releasing is the absolute worst option. Everyone that has given their opinion and yet you still feel the need to disagree with everyone. There is no point in asking a question when you knew exactly what you were going to do with them from the beginning.....

[ProXimuS]

There is no point in asking a question when you knew exactly what you were going to do with them from the beginning.....

Agreed