Quote Originally Posted by ConcinnusMan View Post
Female? you must be kidding me! are you serious? are we talking about the same snake? The one with the tail at the topmost part of the picture? No way! Are you sure you didn't get that one mixed up with another snake? If what you're saying is true, and that snake is confirmed to have actually given birth, I'm blown away. Forget about probing. Not accurate or even necessary with this garter, but confirmed female? Forgive me, but I don't believe it. There has to be some mistake. It couldn't be more obviously male if it if it were dragging it's testicles and hemipenes (can I say that without getting into trouble?) behind it.

Haha, quite honestly, I look at the tail of that snake and see quite an obvious taper, it looks female to me!!! The overall snake has a more male-like shape but it still looks like a female. All of my concinnus males are incredibly bulgey and long and thick at the tail!!! My female concinnus's have decently thick tails, sort of like that snake, but males are very, very obvious. I'm very good at visually sexing thamnophis... I think what is throwing you off, is the severe curve in the tail causing a bit of a thickness illusion!